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Bush Says U.S. Should Have Bombed WWII Death Camp
FoxNews ^ | Friday, January 11, 2008 | AP

Posted on 01/11/2008 5:54:03 AM PST by SolidWood

JERUSALEM — President Bush had tears in his eyes during an hour-long tour of Israel's Holocaust memorial Friday and told Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that the U.S. should have bombed Auschwitz to halt the killing, the memorial's chairman said.

Bush emerged from a tour of the Yad Vashem memorial calling it a "sobering reminder" that evil must be resisted, and praising victims for not losing their faith.

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Bush was visibly moved as he toured the site, said Yad Vashem's chairman, Avner Shalev.

"Twice, I saw tears well up in his eyes," Shalev said.

At one point, Bush viewed aerial photos of the Auschwitz camp taken during the war by U.S. forces and called Rice over to discuss why the American government had decided against bombing the site, Shalev said.

The Allies had detailed reports about Auschwitz during the war from Polish partisans and escaped prisoners. But they chose not to bomb the camp, the rail lines leading to it, or any of the other Nazi death camps, preferring instead to focus all resources on the broader military effort, a decision that became the subject of intense controversy years later.

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"We should have bombed it," Bush said, according to Shalev.

In the memorial's visitors' book, the president wrote simply, "God bless Israel, George Bush."

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"I was most impressed that people in the face of horror and evil would not forsake their God. In the face of unspeakable crimes against humanity, brave souls — young and old — stood strong for what they believe," Bush said.

"I wish as many people as possible would come to this place. It is a sobering reminder that evil exists, and a call that when evil exists we must resist it," he said.

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KEYWORDS: auschwitz; bush; bushvisit; germany; holocaust; israel; wwii
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"We should have bombed it," Bush said, according to Shalev.

In the memorial's visitors' book, the president wrote simply, "God bless Israel, George Bush."

President Bush is correct and a good man. He should listen to his own words. However this is contradicted by the US support for the "palestinian" islamofascists. Yesterday President Bush sounded like (pardon me...) Carter, when urging Israel to stop the "occupation" and give the Palis a "right to return." What is going on in this man's head? I can't figure it out. I fear it's the StateDepartment pressuring Bush to pander to the Arabs.

1 posted on 01/11/2008 5:54:06 AM PST by SolidWood
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To: SolidWood

I couldn’t say whether bombing it would have prevented the atrocities. Probably couldn’t have made it worse.

Bush is a good man. But, he did get Putin wrong. We are all going to pay a price as Putin continues to consolidate power.


2 posted on 01/11/2008 5:56:13 AM PST by tortdog
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To: SolidWood

As much as I dislike the Huckster, he was right in last nights debate when he straightened out Ron Paul on why we should support and help defend Israel.


3 posted on 01/11/2008 5:57:43 AM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: SolidWood

i don’t think the allied powers were even aware of their exixtence until they marched up to the gates to liberate them.


4 posted on 01/11/2008 5:58:00 AM PST by mfnorman (Jack Murtha: a Lee Harvey Oswald type of marine)
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To: SolidWood

Its much easier to say ‘we should have bombed it’ almost 70 years after the fact, when you don’t have to consider logistics related to it.

The same has been suggested in passing about POW camps in the Pacific...again its easy with time and distance from the event avoiding the logistics involved, and the question about how reliable the intelligence was ‘in the moment’ without the 20/20 hindsight.


5 posted on 01/11/2008 5:58:35 AM PST by Badeye (No thanks, Huck, I'm not whitewashing the fence for you this election cycle)
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To: SolidWood

Condi Rice and the folks at the state departmant are a disgrace to this country. Condi Rice is nothing but another token liberal Jimmy Carter disciple in sheeps clothing. It is hard to believe I once thought of he her as a legit Presidental candidate.


6 posted on 01/11/2008 5:59:36 AM PST by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: SolidWood

President Bush had tears in his eyes during an hour-long tour of Israel’s Holocaust memorial Friday ..
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Lot’s of tears in the news lately-
W,Bubba, Hildabeast !

Who’s next ?


7 posted on 01/11/2008 6:00:44 AM PST by IrishMike (Liberalism is Jihad from within)
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To: SolidWood

Hillary: “See men cry and it’s ok...it’s not fair...snivel...poor me...double standard!!...:

He wasn’t crying for himself. There is a difference. Bush is a good unselfish man.


8 posted on 01/11/2008 6:02:05 AM PST by weston
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To: SolidWood

I one drops bombs on a POW camp, doesn’t one tend to kill the POW’s?


9 posted on 01/11/2008 6:05:38 AM PST by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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To: mfnorman

I think you’re right. It was an impulsive statement by Bush.


10 posted on 01/11/2008 6:06:52 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: tortdog

The German propaganda machine would have said we were bombing POW camps, pictures would have been on the internet within minutes, the United Nations would have held an emergency Security Council session, France would have sided with Red China and demanded war crime trials for Ameirican military and government leaders. It could have turned the American public against the war just as fast as Walter Cronkite did during the Vietnam war.

Oh excuse me, I got carried away and lost perspective of time.........


11 posted on 01/11/2008 6:07:19 AM PST by HD1200
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To: IrishMike

If Hitlery wins in November, we’ll all be crying.


12 posted on 01/11/2008 6:08:21 AM PST by Peter W. Kessler (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: mfnorman

The allies knew through intelligence and Polish escapees of Auschwitz and the Holocaust at least since 1942.
The industrial complex Monowitz of Auschwitz (also called Auschwitz III) was bombed by US bombers. The USA also had aerial photos since 1944 of Auschwitz with piles of burning corpses sending a huge smoke cloud.


13 posted on 01/11/2008 6:11:01 AM PST by SolidWood (Al Gore: "I have never heard of this, but I think it is a very good idea,")
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To: P8riot

Not correct. See my post above...

For a reference start, you might read this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_bombing_debate


14 posted on 01/11/2008 6:12:47 AM PST by SolidWood (Al Gore: "I have never heard of this, but I think it is a very good idea,")
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To: weston

Maybe, but I’m TIRED of grown men crying! If you cry because a close family member dies...well, I’ll make an exception - IF you try to keep it private.

Otherwise, turn off the spigot!


15 posted on 01/11/2008 6:14:19 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Without limited government, there is no religious freedom!)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

I agree.


16 posted on 01/11/2008 6:14:47 AM PST by alicewonders
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To: Peter W. Kessler

If Hitlery wins in November, we’ll all be crying.

.................................................

Thinking of the possibility just brought a tear to my eye.


17 posted on 01/11/2008 6:15:02 AM PST by IrishMike (Liberalism is Jihad from within)
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To: SolidWood
Yes. He should have tears. Now the islamofascists of our modern era want to take up the cause of genocide and the fascist cause.

We have one in our midst. Running for the presidency.

Barrack ( Mandingo) Obummer.

Skeptical?

No Need

How Obama and 1st paternal cousin Odinga Tried to Bring Kenya Under Sharia Law and Failed, The Dose

18 posted on 01/11/2008 6:16:18 AM PST by Candor7
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To: HD1200
You are spot on. In today's climate of the turncoat media, it would have been a propaganda victory for the Nazis.
19 posted on 01/11/2008 6:16:31 AM PST by SpaceBar
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To: mfnorman

It would have been impossible for the allies to bomb the camps since we could only carpet bomb in those days and would have killed more of them then germans.

Radar was not invented yet, we could not fly to find them almost until the end of the war.

German anti-air defense was excellent and we lost a lot of aircraft in the mission we did fly.

There were lot bigger issues, like winning the war that needed to be focused on.

There was a great moving about how the pope at the time was using his powers to protect and help the jews while, the jews did nothing to help each other. Gregory Peck I believe even won an Oscar for he role.

To say we needed to bomb, yea, well, maybe we should have but we could not have an never puts into prospective what was going on with a European war, russian and, our war in the Pacific.

Seems every special interest group always wants to re-hash the past. Americans freed then fed the jews in the camps and still, 50 years later, millions and billions of our tax dollars are used to and for them.


20 posted on 01/11/2008 6:18:19 AM PST by edcoil
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To: mfnorman

That is not true. FDR was made aware of the situation. Many Jews actually begged him to bomb the death camps, or at least the railroad lines taking the Jews to their doom. I always tell my students this when I teach the Holocaust and WWII. I want them to know what FDR was really like, not what the textbook says about him.


21 posted on 01/11/2008 6:19:44 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed less people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: HD1200
I know you are joking but there is a group of people that claim that the Allies caused the holocaust because they bombed the roads used to bring food to the camps. I am not kidding.
22 posted on 01/11/2008 6:21:02 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Hillary cried, New Hampshire died.)
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To: mfnorman

I think they were not aware of the level of atrocities that were occurring. Likely the reason they didn’t bomb them was the risk of hurting civilians and captures Allied prisoners.

However, I don’t see why they wouldn’t have gone after the rail lines. Cutting off Germany’s main transport system should have gone a long way to ending the war earlier.


23 posted on 01/11/2008 6:22:44 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

well, in their favor, at least they are not HOLOCAUST deniers,,,,,,,they actually are admitting the holocaust happened, but it was ALL our fault...........


24 posted on 01/11/2008 6:27:06 AM PST by HD1200
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To: SolidWood

I stand corrected. Thanks.


25 posted on 01/11/2008 6:27:30 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Milwaukee_Guy

Yes, but if the POW camp isn’t that, but actually a means to kill millions of prisoners, it stands to reason that you might save more lives by bombing than doing nothing.

Apparently this was heavily debated by the Allies, and the reason they chose to NOT bomb the camp was because they wanted to concentrate on winning the war.


26 posted on 01/11/2008 6:30:43 AM PST by tortdog
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To: tortdog
Some recent research on WWII, and discussion asks why we didn’t bomb the German support operations for the camps (supply trains, infrastructure). Some suggesting that doing this would have saved lives.

I believe the reason they didn’t was because of the early commitment in 1942/43 to bomb the Luftwaffe factories and destroy them in the air. They decided that it wouldn’t be possible to invade France if this goal wasn’t achieved. And in 43/44 there wasn’t enough aircraft to divert to any other purpose. Then after D-Day destroying the petroleum industry became the major effort.

***I couldn’t say whether bombing it would have prevented the atrocities. Probably couldn’t have made it worse.***

27 posted on 01/11/2008 6:50:56 AM PST by msnpatriot
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To: All

Bush cried, terrorists lied, Jews died

If Bush was truly moved by this experience, he would not try to re-create this by negotiating w Islamic terrorists who want to eliminate all Jews from the Middle East.

The WOT is over, as Bush is now negotiating w the terrorists


28 posted on 01/11/2008 6:53:25 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Duncan Hunter: The Man Who Should Be President)
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To: Candor7
You honestly believe Barack Obama is an Islamofascist that wants to take up the cause of genocide? Wow!

This is almost like the Bush NWO 9/11 kinda stuff.

29 posted on 01/11/2008 6:56:35 AM PST by zencat (The universe is not what it appears, nor is it something else.)
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To: SolidWood

I really, really, want to see James Carville crying like a girl.

That would be fun.


30 posted on 01/11/2008 7:00:16 AM PST by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: zencat
I was quite amazed. Look at the sources. Its a bomb!

Obama and Odinga are paternal 1st cousins, according to Odinga.

Yes Obama is a stone cold Islamofascist.

Its not NWO. ITS OWO.

All ya gotta do is read and weep.

Those facts are NOT made up.

The British papers are full of it, they have close ties with Kenya. Here in America, the MSM is feathering Obummers nest. Very few columnists dare tackle the dragon, Danial Pipes is trying his best.

Ask yourself why Black America is so ambivalent about Obama's candidacy. They know the kind of creature he is.Whitey is playing catch up. THINK for heavens sakes!

The question is will we catch up in time.

31 posted on 01/11/2008 7:03:21 AM PST by Candor7
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To: SolidWood

Does this mean Eric Rudolph is going to get a presidential pardon before Bush leaves office?


32 posted on 01/11/2008 7:06:55 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: edcoil

“Radar was not invented yet, we could not fly to find them almost until the end of the war.”
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Correction. Radar was invented in the early 20th century and was used throughout WWII. Japanese aircraft were first noticed flying towards Pearl Harbor on RADAR, but were assummed to be a squadron of US BOmbers that were training that weekend.


33 posted on 01/11/2008 7:15:28 AM PST by awake-n-angry
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To: Badeye
Not so different from all the Iraq second-guessing, really. Everyone wants to hold the President to the standard of how he should have acted had he known everything he knew now, while conveniently ignoring the fact that the CIA barely has the capability of finding out what's going on right now, much less predicting the future.

They also forget to consider everything that might have happened had he not made the decisions he did. No one remembers that every act, or omission, carries an opportunity cost.
34 posted on 01/11/2008 7:27:23 AM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: The Pack Knight

‘Not so different from all the Iraq second-guessing, really. Everyone wants to hold the President to the standard of how he should have acted had he known everything he knew now, while conveniently ignoring the fact that the CIA barely has the capability of finding out what’s going on right now, much less predicting the future.’

That was one of the motivators for my post.


35 posted on 01/11/2008 7:29:05 AM PST by Badeye (No thanks, Huck, I'm not whitewashing the fence for you this election cycle)
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To: Candor7

“Mandingo”?????

Are your sheets at the laundry, Mistuh Candor?


36 posted on 01/11/2008 7:32:34 AM PST by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: headsonpikes
Nope. I do my own laundry.

Mandingo is a great book. Have you read it?

And I have absolutely no hesitation at being politically incorrect in the fight against Islamofascism.

Too many people tippy toe around Obummer. He's a stone cold Islamofascist.

Kenya has been ruined . Ever been ?

I have.

Obama deserves to be sent over to the Kikuyu for judgement. The Masai would be a nice addition.

37 posted on 01/11/2008 7:37:21 AM PST by Candor7
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To: headsonpikes
Check it out, if you dare.

How Obama and 1st paternal cousin Odinga Tried to Bring Kenya Under Sharia Law and Failed, The Dose

38 posted on 01/11/2008 7:38:15 AM PST by Candor7
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To: awake-n-angry

OK Sportsfans,

Yes of course radar existed during WW2. In limited versions. The originals were, like any technology, huge affairs unavailable for practical aircraft use. But of course, by the end of the war, radar equipped “night fighters” did exist.

I doubt a POW camp would have been significantly observable on the radar of those days.


39 posted on 01/11/2008 7:40:20 AM PST by petertare (--)
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To: awake-n-angry

Broad radar was from base stations and why the germans had such a great defense however, accurate radar and most importantly bomb targeting were not through the airforce on planes.


40 posted on 01/11/2008 7:44:03 AM PST by edcoil
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To: SolidWood

Dear Mr. President,

It is time to bomb Iran, so 70 years from now,another President does not have to make the same comment you did.

Sincerely,

exit82


41 posted on 01/11/2008 7:57:12 AM PST by exit82 (How do you handle Hillary? You Huma her.)
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To: SolidWood

Reagan should have bombed Iran after we got our embassy employees back. He didn’t do it.


42 posted on 01/11/2008 8:00:28 AM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: Graybeard58

What did Huck say to Paul? I boycotted the debate last night because they didn’t have Hunter.


43 posted on 01/11/2008 8:02:07 AM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: Badeye
...again its easy with time and distance from the event avoiding the logistics involved, and the question about how reliable the intelligence was ‘in the moment’ without the 20/20 hindsight.

Amen to that. It's always easier to evaluate intelligence in hindsight.

I'm disappointed the President would take the stance he did -- it takes the U.S. political and military leadership to task for things they didn't necessarily know. His own administration serves as an ironic example of the same.

In addition, the strategic bombing effort was focussed on certain tasks, trying to win the war first and foremost. It's difficult to see how bombing Auschwitz would've contributed to that objective.

44 posted on 01/11/2008 8:08:03 AM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: okie01

I don’t get this disappointment. He’s not berating anyone for screwing up. He’s just expressing remorse that maybe we should have done it different.

It was heartfelt.

It was real.

It wasn’t a statement of military policy or a condemnation of the allied strategy.


45 posted on 01/11/2008 8:09:29 AM PST by tortdog
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To: wastedyears

Paul was rambling about how we treat Israel as a “step child” and we should stay out of their affairs and let them stand on their own.

Huck let him know what a great ally we had in Israel and one of the very few if not the only ally we have in that area of the world.

I’m not a Huck supporter but Huck let him have it. Ron Paul is an easy target though.


46 posted on 01/11/2008 8:13:27 AM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: SolidWood
Bush emerged from a tour of the Yad Vashem memorial calling it a "sobering reminder" that evil must be resisted, and praising victims for not losing their faith.

Meanwhile Bush you want to sell these very same people out to arabs that want nothing more than to kill them.

Nice words ... now back it up with action.

47 posted on 01/11/2008 8:15:37 AM PST by Centurion2000 (It's only arrogance if you can't back it up.)
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To: edcoil

The best thing we could have done is to win the war as quickly as possible. And I’m not sure that bombing the camps would have helped in that sense.

I suspect even if the camps were bombed, where were the survivors to go? And who was to say the Germans wouldn’t have just gone back to mass exterminations by firing squad, just as before they had the death camps?


48 posted on 01/11/2008 8:17:55 AM PST by dfwgator (11+7+15=3 Heismans)
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To: dfwgator

I agree, the decision to win the war was the correct one that never get any credit because no one makes money on that one.


49 posted on 01/11/2008 8:19:24 AM PST by edcoil
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To: okie01

I’m disappointed the President would take the stance he did — it takes the U.S. political and military leadership to task for things they didn’t necessarily know. His own administration serves as an ironic example of the same.

The President has disappointed me more often that not since his second Inaugural...this is relatively minor compared to other issues like border security and Amnesty.


50 posted on 01/11/2008 8:21:20 AM PST by Badeye (No thanks, Huck, I'm not whitewashing the fence for you this election cycle)
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