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After Iraq
The Atlantic ^ | January/February 2008 | Jeffrey Goldberg

Posted on 01/11/2008 3:55:22 PM PST by forkinsocket

Not long ago, in a decrepit prison in Iraqi Kurdistan, a senior interrogator with the Kurdish intelligence service decided, for my entertainment and edification, to introduce me to an al-Qaeda terrorist named Omar. “This one is crazy,” the interrogator said. “Don’t get close, or he’ll bite you.”

Omar was a Sunni Arab from a village outside Mosul; he was a short and weedy man, roughly 30 years old, who radiated a pure animal anger. He was also a relentless jabberer; he did not shut up from the moment we were introduced. I met him in an unventilated interrogation room that smelled of bleach and paint. He was handcuffed, and he cursed steadily, making appalling accusations about the sexual practices of the interrogator’s mother. He cursed the Kurds, in general, as pig-eaters, blasphemers, and American lackeys. As Omar ranted, the interrogator smiled. “I told you the Arabs don’t like the Kurds,” he said. I’ve known the interrogator for a while, and this is his perpetual theme: close proximity to Arabs has sabotaged Kurdish happiness.

Omar, the Kurds claim, was once an inconsequential deputy to the now-deceased terrorist chieftain Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Omar disputed this characterization. By his own telling, he accomplished prodigies of terror against the pro-American Kurdish forces in the northern provinces of Iraq. “You are worse than the Americans,” he told his Kurdish interrogator. “You are the enemy of the Muslim nation. You are enemies of God.” The interrogator—I will not name him here, for reasons that will become apparent in a moment—sat sturdily opposite Omar, absorbing his invective for several minutes, absentmindedly paging through a copy of the Koran.

During a break in the tirade, the interrogator asked Omar, for my benefit, to rehearse his biography. Omar’s life was undistinguished.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iraq; islam; kurdistan; kurds; middleeast; wot
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He went on, “The Koran wasn’t written by God, you know. It was written by Arabs. The Arabs were imperialists, and they forced it on us.” This is a common belief among negligibly religious Kurds, of whom there are many millions.
1 posted on 01/11/2008 3:55:23 PM PST by forkinsocket
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To: forkinsocket

Just give Omar a 9mm third eye and forget about him.


2 posted on 01/11/2008 4:01:59 PM PST by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: forkinsocket
Just try to imagine, say, Secretary of State Podhoretz briefing President Giuliani on his first meeting with the leaders of the Baluchi­stan Liberation Army, and it becomes obvious that we may be entering a new and hazardous era.

He ain't kidding. LOL.

This article has to be one of the best assessments of the Middle East I've ever read.

3 posted on 01/11/2008 4:19:59 PM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Alberta's Child
Except it attempts to paint all conservatives as ignorant bulls in the china shop, which is utter nonsense from start to finish.
4 posted on 01/11/2008 4:26:36 PM PST by JasonC
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To: forkinsocket
My high school social studies,(World History and Economics,among other things, who was BTW, one strange bird, always used the Kurds as an example of a people who should have a country, but don't. He used them as a counter example to the Palistinians, who aren't a single people, and shouldn't have a country, and also to some extent as a counter example to the Balkans.

The Palis were a problem even back then in the dark ages, which stradled the '67 "Six Day" war.

That was before Mr. L quit teaching, opened a restaurant in a small town, and then went really 'round the bend. He had some holes in his background that led some to suspect he may have been OSS or CIA, but I guess we'll never know for sure. I will say he was quite pleased when I showed up 3 years after graduation, in my AF ROTC uniform.

5 posted on 01/11/2008 4:40:54 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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I like Kurds & Jews in general like them. My Armenian boyfriend hates them, though, as they betrayed Armenians during the Turkish massacres.

One time he went to buy a car & the salesman was Kurdish. After finding out that he’s Armenian, the Kurd said, “Kurdistan, Hayastan* - brothers,” in an attempt to ingratiate himself with my boyfriend. He sneered & turned away.

lol @ our Middle Eastern ethnic hatreds!

*Armenia.


6 posted on 01/11/2008 4:49:39 PM PST by forkinsocket
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To: Farmer Dean

ping


7 posted on 01/11/2008 4:54:07 PM PST by phs3 (If you call a terrorist a freedom fighter, I call you the enemy.)
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To: forkinsocket
The article starts out with a description of a Kurdish interrogator as a man hostile to Arabs in general, and Arab extremists in particular. I ended up loving the guy, since he struck an Arab prisoner in the face with the Koran, and called Mohammed's mother A WHORE.

The author of the article; does he like or dislike the Khurds? He HATE them. And he hates conservatives.

And The Atlantic is a liberal rag!

The first page of the piece was the best...

8 posted on 01/11/2008 5:06:36 PM PST by gaijin
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To: forkinsocket

There is quite a bit of information regarding the Kurds history and their genetic relationship to the Jews. Seems they have a common genetic heritage. Google it up if you’re interested.


9 posted on 01/11/2008 5:56:59 PM PST by saganite (Lust type what you what in the “tagline” space)
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Yes, I know. Jews, Kurds, Armenians, & Turks are of the same genetic ‘family’.


10 posted on 01/11/2008 5:59:03 PM PST by forkinsocket
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To: saganite

& Jews get along with all of them, Armenians get along with none.


11 posted on 01/11/2008 6:01:25 PM PST by forkinsocket
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At this, the interrogator smacked Omar across the face with the Koran.

OH NOES!!!!!!!!!!11111UNO!!!1111
12 posted on 01/11/2008 7:25:33 PM PST by SF South Park Republican (She Is Who So Other-Oriented Delenda Est!!!111)
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Yes, I know. Jews, Kurds, Armenians, & Turks are of the same genetic ‘family’.

And Arabs too. All semites. But "Jew" is today more a description of a religion and a culture, not so much genetic ancestry. Hebrews might be a better term

13 posted on 01/11/2008 7:44:51 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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Yes, but Jews, Kurds, etc. are part of a closer cluster. Arabs are part of a more extended, Middle Eastern family. This wasn’t known until recently. The opposite was assumed.

In terms of culture, though, we are more related to Arabs. At least, we Mizrahim are. We were known as Jewish Arabs until coming to Israel. Also, our language is Semitic & not Indo-European.

Because of this, it’s hard for me to wrap my head around the fact that we’re genetically closer to Turks than to Arabs. Nothing against Turks, but we have so much more in common with Arabs!


14 posted on 01/11/2008 7:52:44 PM PST by forkinsocket
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To: El Gato
Oppenheim of the Hebrew University of Israel wrote that this new study revealed that Jews have a closer genetic relationship to populations in the northern Mediterranean (Kurds, Anatolian Turks, and Armenians) than to populations in the southern Mediterranean (Arabs and Bedouins).

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1626606/posts

15 posted on 01/11/2008 7:58:17 PM PST by forkinsocket
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To: forkinsocket

Let’s give the Kurds independence and let them claim Kurdistan.


16 posted on 01/11/2008 9:57:47 PM PST by Wiz
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To: forkinsocket

Maybe that Armenian was taught a biased history by the Turks about the Armenian genocide.


17 posted on 01/11/2008 9:59:54 PM PST by Wiz
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Yes, I know. Jews, Kurds, Armenians, & Turks are of the same genetic ‘family’.

Which Turks are you talking about? The Kurds being named Turks in the South East?
18 posted on 01/11/2008 10:02:13 PM PST by Wiz
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To: Wiz

Anatolian Turks.


19 posted on 01/11/2008 10:05:24 PM PST by forkinsocket
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To: Wiz

No, he wasn’t taught anything by Turks. Armenians are taught that Turks massacred them & Kurds joined in because Turks promised them something (land, maybe? I don’t remember). This was a betrayal, because Kurds & Armenians are both enemies of Turks.

I don’t know if it’s true or not, but this is what at least some Armenians have been told.


20 posted on 01/11/2008 10:09:27 PM PST by forkinsocket
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