Posted on 01/11/2008 7:13:43 PM PST by NoobRep
That is so RIGHT, as is the rest of your comment, but that line just jumped out at me.
The major problem with these people is they will NEVER admit a mistake. And I am not just speaking of Huckabee supporters, I'm speaking of all "true believers" of whatever their pet peeve of the day happens to be.
Shame on me? Mike Huckabee was charged with 14 ethics charges while governor. He was found guilty of 5.
This is about politics. Who will best represent the Republicans as the presidential nominee come this November is not a game and there is no room for your kind of nonsense.
Frankly I think you’re a Democrat plant. Go back to the KOS, where you belong.
Yes. Shame on you.
If the Rev. Nehemiah Scudder, I mean Governor Huckabee gets the nomination. . . .I’ll sit on my hands, even if it means 4 more years of the Clintons. . .
And I suspect I’m not the only one. . . . .
Huckabee has never denied participating as his his duty with the parole board. But you are alleging he campaigned. I say cite the evidence.
And from what Gov. Huckabee explains, it was his Democrat predecessor(s) who got the Dumond parole ball roling, not Huckabee.
See here for a start: http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NTcyMTM5YzRiMzVjMjA3MGEwMjUwM2Y3NGJiMzM1YWY=&w=MA==
You're basing your above commentary on the following statement?
“There’s only one explanation for [my surge] and it’s not a human one,” Huckabee insisted, inspiring gales of applause from the overflow crowd. “It’s the same power that helped a little boy with two fish and five loaves feed a crowd of five thousand people.”
That's pathetic. If you want to attack Huckabee on his past/current policies/actions, that's one thing, but to proclaim that Huckabee believes what you claim, on such kind of statement, your thought process is beyond absurd, and, imho, beyond the pale, as well. Christians hold to the promises of God which state that He shall direct their way, if we but listen to Him. That doesn't make the "believers" any more special than anyone else, as God sent His Son to die for everyone. It's just that believers have taken Him up on His promises.
Now, if you want to question as to whether or not Huckabee is "accurately" listening to the Lord's voice, that is your right, but I condemn your presumption that Huckabee, as a Christian who is commanded by God, as are all Christians, to follow man's laws (as long as they are not immoral), somehow thinks himself into "believing that the rules and laws which bind other folks just don’t apply to them" is how he thinks, based on your quote.
From a Huckabee campaign release:
In 1996, Mike Huckabee became Governor of Arkansas. That August the Post Prison Transfer Board reviewed a request for a pardon from DuMond and decided to recommend to the Governor that the request had “no merit.” That decision was sent to the Governor. The Board’s decision is a recommendation and not binding on the Governor.
When the Governor received the file with the recommendation from the Board, his review of the case led him to issue an “intent to grant” the clemency. There then followed a mandatory period for the Governor to receive comments from the public. The DuMond case was very controversial and the Governor received many comments, both supporting and opposing his consideration of a pardon.
During this time period, the Board – which was composed entirely of Democrats appointed either by Bill Clinton, or Jim Guy Tucker — issued an invitation to the new Republican Governor to come to a meeting to become acquainted and discuss his philosophy of clemency.
Please note a crucial distinction: clemency (or pardon) is separate and distinct from parole. Only the Governor can grant clemency or pardon; the Parole Board reviews and grants parole. The Governor is not involved in parole decisions.
It is this October ’96 meeting which is now the focus of attention. One of the Board members, Charles Chastain, is now alleging publicly that the Governor used that meeting to pressure the Board to grant DuMond parole.
In fact, just the opposite is true: Mr. Chastain attempted to dissuade Governor Huckabee from his intent to grant clemency to DuMond.
“They are saying that the Governor was trying to persuade them to grant parole,” said Reeves, “it was the other way around, they were trying to persuade him not to grant clemency.”
At the time Mr. Reeves served as chief counsel to the Governor and attended the October meeting with Governor Huckabee in his official capacity.
Mr. Reeves asserts categorically that parole for DuMond was “never mentioned” during the meeting. (“I told this guy [Waas], that’s not why we had that meeting.”) The quotes attributed to Reeves in The Huffington Post article, authored by Murray Waas, all relate to a conversation which was about Governor Huckabee’s stated intention to grant DuMond clemency.
This is a very simple distinction that Waas fails to make. The context of the discussion that occurred – and Governor Huckabee has not denied that a discussion occurred – was the question of whether or not Governor Huckabee would grant clemency, not whether or not the Board would grant parole. The Board’s decision had already been made and their recommendation was already on the Governor’s desk.
In the midst of a general discussion about the Governor’s general philosophy related to clemency, one of the Board members asked the Governor about the DuMond case and his intention to grant clemency (which was public knowledge due to the notice of intent.)
The Governor responded by stating that he believed the facts warranted his decision to initiate a notice of intent. As has been reported, he added that he believed DuMond had gotten a bad deal from the justice system. (This goes to the stated purpose of the meeting which was for the Governor to communicate to the Board his clemency philosophy.) Note that this does parallel the quotes attributed to Reeves by Waas in the Huffington Post:
“But, according to Reeves, Huckabee actually told the parole board members that the prison sentence meted out to Dumond for his rape conviction was “outlandish” and “way out of bounds for his crime.”
Again, the Governor made these comments to explain his position on the clemency request, not to persuade the Board to grant parole. The Board had already decided against parole. “Parole was not an issue; it didn’t come up,” said Reeves.
In response to the Governor’s explanation of why he intended to grant DuMond clemency, Chastain then stated why he was against it. The Governor, according to Reeves replied, “Well, okay, it’s a difference of opinion.” And the discussion ended.
The Huffington Post article asserts that the Reeves account contradicts the Governor’s version when, in fact, everything Mr. Reeves describes corroborates Governor Huckabee’s statement on the issue, as quoted by Waas:
“This stands in stark contrast to Huckabee’s assertion, repeated at a press conference today that he “did not ask [the board] to do anything.” When asked directly about trying to influence the board, Huckabee responded: “No. I did not. Let me categorically say that I did not.”
“He never mentioned parole at that meeting,” says Mr. Reeves. “The Governor was talking about clemency.”
http://thepage.time.com/former-huckabee-aides-comments/
Huck was pushing for clemency immediately after the board had voted not to grant parole. Then the board suddenly changes its mind and paroles the man after meeting with Huckabee on the clemency issue.
Huck wanted to pardon Dumond. His campaign release to Time admits that.
In a state full of political vitriol and sloppy pols?
"Shocking."
I think Huckabee has likely learned by now, not to trust underlings blindly (e.g., the second wedding fiasco).
Well said. Huckabee just cannot be trusted. He lies about his record...refuses to answer direct questions.
Bad for the USA!
when he was playing the guitar on tv, i had a flashback to the saxaphone on the tonight show.
there are too many similarities to Clinton for me to trust Huckabee.
what if he was installed as governor so he could run against Hillary some day?
Someone(s) here sure like to hurl the epithets.
Shame.
You just asked for evidence that Huckabee wanted to grant clemency. It has been provided to you.
If Huckabee had failings, he also admitted to them, paid any fines, etc.
They must not have been too serious. Huckabee was not only elected four times. He has overwhelming poll numbers in Arkansas.
You wouldn't be able to say the same thing for Gov. George Ryan in Illinois, for example.
But, keep being shocked... shocked....
He wanted to provide some kind of clemency, but refused about three or four times, since he was not also empowered to do so under supervision.
And I think I’ve repeated that about three or four times.
Good night.
This is getting ridiculous. Keep nipping at the Governor’s heels, if you need.
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