The FairTax Crowd Answers Jerry Bowyer

realclearmarkets.com ^ | January 11, 2008 | Louis R. Woodhill

[Man50D]

You can read more about The Fair Tax at The FairTax.org website.

[Man50D]

Fair Tax ping!

[Mark was here]

Would you trust someone pedaling a 30% sales tax as a 23% sales tax?

Would you say "That sounds fair, you're a very trustworthy fellow"?

One man, one vote, one tax bill. Everyone equal under the law.

[Man50D]

Would you trust someone pedaling a 30% sales tax as a 23% sales tax?

I wouldn't trust someone who pedals the dollar amount collected with the 30% tax exclusive rate with the Fair Tax as if it will be more than the amount collected with the 23% tax inclusive rate with the income tax. The truth is the dollar amount collected from former rate will be the same as the latter rate.

[UCFRoadWarrior]

I find it interesting that the opponents of the Fair Tax would want to keep the Karl Marx Income Tax.

Yes, Karl Marx is the father of income tax

I am no Huckabee fan, but the FairTax is a much better way to raise revenue without punishing achievement.

I dont know about you, but a tax proposed by John Linder and Neal Boortz is a helluva lot better than a tax proposed by Karl Marx

[foxfield]

Mr. Bowyer seems to be getting a lot of undeserved attention lately. He recently published an article Fair Tax Flaws in the Wall Street Journal which inspired a FR thread. In it he says "I'm a recovering tax accountant (and not a good one at that) and I've got 50 ways to avoid this tax swimming around in my head. What about the really smart guys?"

So, what is Bowyer's claim to fame and what gives him any credibility on this subject?

[Mojave]

Would you trust someone pedaling a 30% sales tax as a 23% sales tax?

30% to start with, with no cap.

[Mark was here]

You could go up to 99% of all the taxpayers and ask them what 23% inclusive of $100.00 is and they are going to say, "What in the heck are you talking about?"

Flim-flam from the get go, is a clear warning to stay away from the peddler.

[foxfield]

Woodhill's article says

In a piece published on January 9th for Townhall, economics writer Jerry Bowyer posed some common questions about the FairTax.

I cannot find anything on Townhall.com by Bowyer for that date. Am I missing something?

[Mojave]

I find it interesting that the opponents of the Fair Tax would want to keep the Karl Marx Income Tax. Yes, Karl Marx is the father of income tax

A national American income tax was first proposed during the War of 1812. Karl Marx was born in 1818.

Fair Taxers live to lie.

[PubliusMM]

“One man, one vote, one tax bill. Everyone equal under the law.”

I saw this on another thread, yesterday, and a responder called you on it. I’m wondering if you’ve crafted an appropriate response to his/her questions?

Just what do you mean by this? Everyone pays the same amount? Every person over 18? Regardless of income and other circumstances? What amount?

[Man50D]

You could go up to 99% of all the taxpayers and ask them what 23% inclusive of $100.00 is and they are going to say, "What in the heck are you talking about?"

Thank you for illustrating the deception perpetrated by the income tax with hidden taxes at each stage of production. It is the biggest flim flam based on the premise out of sight out of mind. The transparency of The Fair Tax by itemizing the tax externally from the price will end the deceptive practice of the income tax and let people know what they are actually paying in taxes. We will stay clear of the IRS peddler once we abolish it with The Fair Tax!

[longtermmemmory]

skip the BS sales pro sales tax propaganda

go to http://www.thomas.gov type in “fair tax” and read HR 25

Read the prebate rules,
REGISTRATION WITH THE GOVERNMENT for all people who buy or sell anything,
the draconian record keeping,
the criminal penalties for not giving or havin a reciept (ala europe)
The TAXABLE interest

the more you read of the actual proposal the more insane it becomes.

The IRS must go/change, this is not the way to do it. It only grows the government bureacracy.

[Mark was here]

Fair Taxers live to lie.

Don't let the Church of Scientology hear you say that!

[foxfield]

Found it. Woodhill is referring to Bowyer's Townhall post.

[Mojave]

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/JerryBowyer/2008/01/11/answers_for_the_fairtax_faction

[kjam22]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3F6UqyvUmE

[PubliusMM]

“with no cap”

True enough. But, the Income Tax started out at something like 1%, didn’t it?
Regardless of the form of the taxation, if we (the people) allow it to rise to onerous levels, that would be our fault. Our fault for not holding accountable our elected officials to represent us within the confines of the US Constitution.
The FT, at least, puts the tax on the consumption side, over which we have some measure of control.

[Mojave]

But, the Income Tax started out at something like 1%, didn’t it?

The Fair Tax universal welfare payments scheme would start out at 30%,

[PubliusMM]

OK...I’ll bite. How do you get that?