Posted on 01/19/2008 8:57:22 AM PST by doug from upland
L98, are you related to craig livingstone?
LOL, that’s my boy Otto.
I’m not refuting any of the content of the film. I have not seen it in its entirety. It may indeed be 100% factual. As far as this story is concerned, I could care less. I’m not defending anyone. I simply do not believe this type of film has any place in the public schools. All it serves to do is open the doors to public schools as political battlegrounds in an idealistic battle for impressionable young minds. That is not what I pay taxes for. If a teacher wants to teach about fraud, campaign finance abuses or other unlawful indiscretions in the context of academia, that’s fine. I have seen enough clips of the film entitled “Hillary Exposed” to clearly see it is not an exercise in academia.
That is not to say I disagree with the film being made. It should have been and I am glad it was. My wife’s boss knows I’m an anti-Hillary person and has sent me several clips from it. Will I sit down and watch the thing all the way through? Probably not. I don’t like Hillary anyway, so what’s the point? I’m capable of doing my own research on her, thanks in large part to info documented on this site.
No offense, doug, I usually enjoy your threads, but I don’t have to quantify my conservatism to you or anyone else. My problem with many of the so-called conservatives on FR is they believe in just as big a government, with just as much power, as liberals, only used for different ends. They will trash a media outlet relentlessly until said outlet publishes something which falls in line with their personal fears or prejudices then believe it without question. I tend to be more objective than that. There is no one source I ever take as God’s honest truth.
And now you’ve dragged poor Otto into it. ;) He’s an angel, by the way.
Mr Apple, I probably am a curious individual. I likely try too hard to be fair, even if it affects me in a negative fashion. I have my opinions about what schools should and should not be used for and to keep true to that, I sometimes have to take positions that do not benefit my ideology.
I’d just write the URL on the blackboard, and the ones who want to watch it can copy it down.
I appreciate the comments, however, I didn’t appeciate it being called “propaganda, plain and simple.” I stand by the content and accuracy of the film.
Something about this phrase reminds me of an "equivalence argument" -- which is one of the debating techniques used by liberals.
May I hazard a guess from this that you tend to lean left of center?
Full Disclosure: be careful, liberalism on FR is ok but coming out for Rudy may get you bug-zapped.
Second Disclosure: Go FRed!
Cheers!
Sorry - gotta defend the school on this one.
Schools are “supposed” to monitor and approve curriculum materials through a process. A teacher just bringing something is isn’t kosher.
The same applies to Loose Change or Mikey Moore movies.
No, incorrect. This film sets out an exact set of historical events as they happened during these disasterous Clinton years. It's history, it's what jr high and sr high students should be studying, reading and learning about, along with as much as possible in regards to other current events.
In short L98, it's Keyword: current events/an important part of public school education
Obviously.
“Something about this phrase reminds me of an “equivalence argument” — which is one of the debating techniques used by liberals.
May I hazard a guess from this that you tend to lean left of center?”
LOL! @ “equivalence argument”. I was not aware that expecting equality towards citizens, regardless of political ideology, from government institutions was a uniquely liberal trait.
Dang, outed after four years and 11,000+ posts. And I’d have gotten away with it too if it weren’t for you meddling kids. /s
“Full Disclosure: be careful, liberalism on FR is ok but coming out for Rudy may get you bug-zapped.”
Typical behavior around here these days. If someone disagrees with you call them a liberal and accuse them of supporting Rudy. You comrades going to send me to Siberia or straight to the gulag? Reeducation camps are so passe`. “Bug-zapped”? C’mon, you can do better than that! Your Uncle Joe, now he knew how to deal with dissidents.
I don't remember having come across many of your posts before...
And "meddling kids"? I have grey whiskers. "Meddling kittens" would be more like it. :-)
Typical behavior around here these days. If someone disagrees with you call them a liberal and accuse them of supporting Rudy.
'Twas sarcasm, F98.
There have been a lot of libertarians and a couple of liberals I have seen who got along just fine, until they openly declared for Rudy during the infamous "bug-zapper" thread. Then, just like that, BZZZT! They were gone.
The point being was that the mods etc. don't seem to mind liberals (as long as no DU-style invective is engaged in); but one mention of Rudy and you're toast.
You comrades going to send me to Siberia or straight to the gulag?
Feh. Do your worst. I'm already there, in a manner of speaking (Minneapolis, -15 real temp as I type).
It turns out my feline nose was correct -- you are a liberal, or lean that way. There are certain styles of thought and argument which are very common to them.
Now, back to the point of the thread -- "Clinton Exposed" is not "propaganda" but "consciousness-raising" or even "fearless investigative reporting not brought to you by the corporate interests, fighting for the little guy"TM to put it in language you may be more familiar with. ;-)
Here's the rub:
1) Do you consider "An Inconvenient Truth" to be propaganda or science?
2) Compare the number of indictments, convictions, "fleeing the country" episodes, and the like, of Bush '41, to the Klinton Klutz KlanTM. Look at what the indictments, etc. were about Then consider whether a similar film called "Bush Exposed" would be panned by liberals as "left-wing propaganda."
Cheers!
Why does that dog’s left hind leg not have any claws?
That’s a shame.
I am definately not liking what is going on here.
I think it’s almost a given anywhere in Texas, where you have an influx of out-of-staters, it seems that many are northerners or Californians - while many are conservative, it seems they tend to largely be liberal. I’ve had friends tell me that’s what happened in Tom DeLay’s old stomping grounds, and I’ve seen it in Central Texas.
I agree with you there. How’s this for diversity. I am as white as they come color wise; I have a black massusse; a mexican hairdresser; an asian nail person and I love everyone of them and they all know I am the biggest conservative and for individual rights you ever saw. We all get along without the benefit of the government. LOL
And they are all tops in the fields.
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