[Eric Blair 2084]

Big Brother, Nanny State, Grant Junkie, Bogus Study, Junk Science, Social Engineering, Sheeple Control, Health Nazi

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We the People Sheeple of the United States Nanny State, in Order to form a more perfect Union Socialist Utopia, establish Justice Socially engineer a country of non smoking, physically fit, tea totallers, insure domestic Tranquility Smoking bans in bars, limits on unhealthy food and social drinking, provide for the common defense Universal Healthcare, promote the general Welfare health of the population whether they like it or not, in order to save above mentioned Universal Healthcare entitlement program from bankruptcy, and secure the Blessings of Liberty Dependency to ourselves progressive liberals and our Posterity Hitler Youth who we brainwash through public school education, do ordain decree and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. Nanny State of Liberals.

[GOP_Lady]

This is just __________ ridiculous. Enough already.

[GOP_Lady]

Good evening, Sir Eric. I hope all is well. :-)

[GOP_Lady]

Latest news from Ohio:

Court: Private clubs not exempt from smoking ban
Jump to full article: AP, 2008-01-03

Intro:
State health officials erred when they tried to exempt veterans halls and other private clubs from Ohio’s smoking ban, an appeals court ruled.

“The law, which took effect last year following a statewide vote, prohibits smoking in most public places, including restaurants, bars and offices.

The Ohio 10th District Court of Appeals on Monday upheld an earlier court ruling that said the state Health Department didn’t have authority to write rules exempting private clubs. Such a change would need to be adopted by the state Legislature, the ruling said.

The decision was another victory for the Ohio Licensed Beverage Association, a trade group representing Ohio’s bar owners. The group filed a lawsuit last summer, saying the exemption for private clubs was unfair.”

[timm22]

I hate to go against the flow on this one, but I do not believe Burbank ban is *entirely* illegitimate or unreasonable.

The ban on smoking within businesses in Burbank is illegitimate and unreasonable. Those businesses are private property that no one is forced to enter, so the owners shouldn't have to have a "permit" to exercise their property rights.

But the ban on smoking in the public areas- the roads, alleys, and sidewalks - is a different matter. These really *are* public places, in that they are tax-funded and are not owned by any private individual or group. And smoking *is* a nuisance to many people. In my opinion, local government should be able to restrict or prohibit nuisances in truly public places, so long as the restrictions are reasonable and do not infringe on fundamental rights.

I think a ban on smoking on the sidewalks could be reasonable. In a downtown area you can expect a lot of pedestrian traffic, and people have a right to use the sidewalks without anyone's permission. A person should be free to use the sidewalks without being subjected to a nuisance, and tobacco smoke is particularly bothersome to a lot of people. There's is a competing set of "rights" in this issue, and the ballot box really can be an appropriate method of determining whose "rights" should prevail.

I would be interested to hear arguments to the contrary.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[CaptRon]

A zillion cars an hour driving down the streets of Burbank every day, spewing all kinds of pollutants, but it’s the cigarettes that are the health threat. Geez.

[badgerlandjim]

bump

[SheLion]

[steel_resolve]

Take me off the nanny state ping, thanks!

[swarthyguy]

Peachy. and the cops are on top of it. Sweet.

Inshallah.