The Giuliani Tax Cut by Steve Forbes (WSJ)

Wall Street Journal ^ | Jan. 24, 2008 | Steve Forbes

[TheThinker]

Giuliani gets my vote. At least he’s not phony like Romney on any issue or backstab the public with illegal immigration legislation like McCain.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

No more perverts in the White House!

[TheThinker]

Giuliani did own stock in a company that developed border fence technology. Giuliani obviously has no moral objections to closing the border.

That's more than Romney has shown. He's flip-flopped on any issue you pick more than John Kerry. He doesn't think Americans should ask illegals whether they are illegal. He talks out of the both sides of his mouth when it comes to homosexual rights and marriage.

McCain will never close the border. He refers to the fence derisively when speaking to business leaders and equates drilling in ANWAR to drilling the Grand Canyon.

[CitizenUSA]

TheThinker: “Giuliani gets my vote.”

I couldn’t vote for him, but it doesn’t mean I don’t respect some of the things he’s done. I don’t see anything wrong with cutting taxes and government spending. It appears Guiliani is at least a bit conservative. Still, he’s woefully inadequate in other areas. Fiscal conservatism, by itself, didn’t work for Steve Forbes, and it won’t work for Guiliani. Our candidate has to be both fiscally and socially conservative. That’s the only way to expect success in November. Unfortunately, the pickings are getting pretty slim this time around.

[Alberta's Child]

If what you've said is true, then there's a reason why the Democrats are afraid of Giuliani.

Rudy Giuliani and Hillary Clinton are two candidates who don't have a chance in hell of winning a presidential election in the United States -- potentially running against an opponent who doesn't have a chance in hell of winning a presidential election in the United States.

Go figure.

[Alberta's Child]

It’s not that anyone disagrees with them . . . it’s that his well-documented track record runs counter to at least half of them.

[Alberta's Child]

There is a long list of people with impeccable conservative credentials who are supporting Rudy, from Forbes, to Ted Olson, to Bill Simon, Pat Robertson and so on.

You know how the old saying goes . . . Every whore has her price.

[Thermalseeker]

Pat Robertson and so on.

I don't think I'd be running around trumpeting support I received from Pat Robertson. That dude is a loon......and he's shown it over and over again for all to see......

[A2J]

Not to mention — what do you think will happen to the US during 8 years of Hillary with a Dem Congress?

Do you honestly believe that Hillary would have a Democratic congress for eight years? You must be deluded.

Her husband, the Great Bent One, who is far more conservative than she is, lost the congress after TWO years.

I believe that if she is on the ticket, the GOP will take back the House and may grab the Senate as well this year.

[A2J]

There is a long list of people with impeccable conservative credentials who are supporting Rudy, from Forbes, to Ted Olson, to Bill Simon, Pat Robertson and so on.

Pat Robertson says it all for me.

No, thanks, Rudy.

[jwparkerjr]

Say what you want about Rudy, but I suspect when the cards are down and the chickens are home to roost, he’s the only one of our candidates who can get down there in the gutter with the HillBillies and fight them on their own lever. Absent that ability, as evidenced by some of the things the very people who oppose him cite as reasons not to support him, are the very traits that will give the ability to defeat Clinton et al.

The biggest threat to our country right now is not terrorism, the economy or even illegal immigration. Granted they are all very serious consideration, but the biggest threat is another four, or God forbid (literally), eight years of the Clintons.

Regardless of how you feel about abortion or the wall or gun control, you name it, it won’t matter if Clinton gets the presidency, every one of those problems will instantly go up three or four notches in threat level.

Rudy might be the favorite of everyone, maybe not even more than few, but if we don’t put someone on the battle field that can go with the Clintons toe to toe, head to head, then we’ll have to wait at least four years for our next chance.

I am listening very carefully to what Rudy has to say.

[jwparkerjr]

Many are going to say he’s a liar, and that might be. So is Clinton. If we’re going to have a liar in the office I would prefer one that has pledged to support what I believe. There’s an outside chance that he’ll slip up and one or two of those things might happen, even if by accident. You can bet your sweet butt NONE of them will happen during a Clinton term.

I like Mitt, especially his understanding of how the real world actually works. But I fear he is no match for Clinton and their machine of personal destruction.

McCain is a fighter, but you never know who's side he going to choose in a fight! Just when you've about forgiven him for giving into one of his wild hairs, off he goes tilting at another conservative windmill. When the chips are down not only can you not depend on him for support, he's as likely as not to join the opposition! I see it as at least a two step process. Defeat Hillary et al, then worry about the other concerns.

When you’re in a fatal dive in an airplane the first step to recovery is to stop the dive, without having the plane fall apart, THEN worry about getting back up to altitude and on course.

Like it or not, Rudy might the just the guy to take on Hillary. One thing is for sure, at least in my mind. If Hillary gets the final nod and the election in November we'll be a lot more driven to find an electable conservative in 2012!

[jwparkerjr]

That’s two of them. If you look around you can find ALL of them with Hillary in the picture.

Are these two important enough to you to give the other 10 a pass. I mean that seriously, I’m being a smart-ass. You might well feel in your heart that disagreement on these two commitments outweigh all the others. If so, then I don’t feel you are out of step or out of bounds. For me, I would rather cast my lot with someone who might support, even if by accident, as many of my beliefs as possible.

Thanks!

[jwparkerjr]

re: The arousal factor would get Romney the women’s vote.

One of the talk show hosts has called it them “Mittens”. I think those who are in it for the arousal factor should be called “Smittens”, with “Mittens” left for those who would support him on general principles.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

I suspect when the cards are down and the chickens are home to roost, he’s the only one of our candidates who can get down there in the gutter with the HillBillies and fight them on their own lever. (sic)

No More Gutter Perverts in the White House!

[jwparkerjr]

I fear that they only way to beat a gutter pervert is with another one. I would like to think not, but history hasn’t been too encouraging in this respect.

Thankfully I don’t have to make up my mind TODAY or tomorrow. I can bide my time for a bit and take it all in.

If the choice is between gutter perverts I’ll take my chances with my gutter pervert. The only way not voting in November makes sense to me is if you don’t care who gets into the office. If you think it makes a difference, even a little bit, then you need to vote against the one you dislike the least. Not much of a choice is it?

[late bloomer]

It would appear we have all been so lulled into complacency that we have mislaid the understanding as to why we are still safe in our beds and have somehow come to believe the WOT against implacable islamofacists who want us all dead is just another campaign checklist item.
WAKE UP!!!If a gutless globalist liberal hillbilly regime takes the presidency we will have weakened ourselves not only to the muslim sickos but will also become vulnerable to our sub-rosa enemies, russia and china perched like vultures on the sideline awaiting our demise. Then the true horror of world nuclear war becoms a real possibility. Abortion,open borders, taxes and all other domestic concerns become irrelevant.

[codercpc]

If he is still in the race by the time I vote next month (after Super Tuesday) he gets my vote also.

He is the fiscal conservative, and he will be strongest on WOT, my two priorities. As for the "other stuff" see my tag line!

[EnquiringMind]

The arousal factor would get Romney the women’s vote

You have got to be kidding......LOL! Romney is a wooden robot with zero personality, not attractive in the least.

[Kellis91789]

“Prized deductions for mortgage payments, state and local taxes, charitable contributions, and child tax credits will all be preserved on the FAST Form.”

Oh, yippee ! Let’s continue taxing some people at up to 30% so we can leave others (with enough social engineering “deductions”) with a 0% tax rate. People CHOOSE to have a mortgage vs. rent. People CHOOSE to live in one state over another. People CHOOSE to give to charity. People CHOOSE to have children or not. It isn’t the government’s business to favor some choices over others. Have we all lost sight of the fact that giving up all this favoritism would allow for a simple 10% income tax rate for everybody ??

“Mr. Giuliani’s reforms also include a trio of tax-free savings vehicles to encourage middle-class saving: a retirement savings account; a general-purpose lifetime savings account; and a lifetime skills account (for training and education). All three would function as Roth-style accounts (funded with after tax income, but subject to no taxes upon withdrawal), and would be available to all Americans, regardless of income level.

The retirement savings account and the lifetime savings account would have $5,000 annual limits per individual, and the lifetime skills account would have a $1,000 annual limit, with an available employer match.”

So we go from 401k pre-tax savings allowed of up to $20,500 per year to a Roth-style maximum of $12,000 per year ?