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UK: Don't treat the old and unhealthy, say doctors
The Telegraph ^ | 1/26/08 | Laura Donnelly, Health Correspondent

Posted on 01/26/2008 10:45:53 PM PST by bruinbirdman

Doctors are calling for NHS treatment to be withheld from patients who are too old or who lead unhealthy lives.

Smokers, heavy drinkers, the obese and the elderly should be barred from receiving some operations, according to doctors, with most saying the health service cannot afford to provide free care to everyone.

Fertility treatment and "social" abortions are also on the list of procedures that many doctors say should not be funded by the state.

The findings of a survey conducted by Doctor magazine sparked a fierce row last night, with the British Medical Association and campaign groups describing the recommendations from family and hospital doctors as "out­rageous" and "disgraceful".

About one in 10 hospitals already deny some surgery to obese patients and smokers, with restrictions most common in hospitals battling debt.

Managers defend the policies because of the higher risk of complications on the operating table for unfit patients. But critics believe that patients are being denied care simply to save money.

The Government announced plans last week to offer fat people cash incentives to diet and exercise as part of a desperate strategy to steer Britain off a course that will otherwise see half the population dangerously overweight by 2050.

Obesity costs the British taxpayer £7 billion a year. Overweight people are more likely to contract diabetes, cancer and heart disease, and to require replacement joints or stomach-stapling operations.

Meanwhile, £1.7 billion is spent treating diseases caused by smoking, such as lung cancer, bronchitis and emphysema, with a similar sum spent by the NHS on alcohol problems. Cases of cirrhosis have tripled over the past decade.

Among the survey of 870 family and hospital doctors, almost 60 per cent said the NHS could not provide full healthcare to everyone and that some individuals should pay for services.

One in three said that elderly patients should not be given free treatment if it were unlikely to do them good for long. Half thought that smokers should be denied a heart bypass, while a quarter believed that the obese should be denied hip replacements.

Tony Calland, chairman of the BMA's ethics committee, said it would be "outrageous" to limit care on age grounds. Age Concern called the doctors' views "disgraceful".

Gordon Brown promised this month that a new NHS constitution would set out people's "responsibilities" as well as their rights, a move interpreted as meaning restric­tions on patients who bring health problems on themselves. The only sanction threatened so far, however, is to send patients to the bottom of the waiting list if they miss appointments.

The survey found that medical professionals wanted to go much further in denying care to patients who do not look after their bodies.

Ninety-four per cent said that an alcoholic who refused to stop drinking should not be allowed a liver transplant, while one in five said taxpayers should not pay for "social abortions" and fertility treatment.

Paul Mason, a GP in Portland, Dorset, said there were good clinical reasons for denying surgery to some patients. "The issue is: how much responsibility do people take for their health?" he said.

"If an alcoholic is going to drink themselves to death then that is really sad, but if he gets the liver transplant that is denied to someone else who could have got the chance of life then that is a tragedy." He said the case of George Best, who drank himself to death in 2005, three years after a liver transplant, had damaged the argument that drinkers deserved a second chance.

However, Roger Williams, who carried out the 2002 transplant on the former footballer, said doctors could never be sure if an alcoholic would return to drinking, although most would expect a detailed psychological assessment of patients, who would be required to abstain for six months before surgery.

Prof Williams said: "Less than five per cent of alcoholics who have a transplant return to serious drinking. George was one of them. It is actually a pretty successful rate. I think the judgment these doctors are making is nothing to do with the clinical reasons for limiting such operations and purely a moral decision."

Katherine Murphy, from the Patients' Association, said it would be wrong to deny treatment because of a "lifestyle" factor. "The decision taken by the doctor has to be the best clinical one, and it has to be taken individually. It is morally wrong to deny care on any other grounds," she said.

Responding to the survey's findings on the treatment of the elderly, Dr Calland, of the BMA, said: "If a patient of 90 needs a hip operation they should get one. Yes, they might peg out any time, but it's not our job to play God."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: elections; euthanasia; finalsolution; healthcare; hillarycare; mengele; moralabsolutes; socializedmedicine; utilitarianism
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1 posted on 01/26/2008 10:45:56 PM PST by bruinbirdman
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To: 8mmMauser

Ping...


2 posted on 01/26/2008 10:47:52 PM PST by TheSarce
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To: bruinbirdman
Soylant Green.
3 posted on 01/26/2008 10:49:49 PM PST by Mark (REMEMBER: Mean spirited, angry remarks against my postings won't feed even one hungry child.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Health care is for the young and healthy


4 posted on 01/26/2008 10:51:24 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: bruinbirdman

Coming soon, to a nation near you! Be the first on your block to die from an untreated illness or injury due to Hillarycare!


5 posted on 01/26/2008 10:52:17 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Second To None!)
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To: bruinbirdman

The U.K. reserved section of Hell is going to have to be expanded.


6 posted on 01/26/2008 10:53:09 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurtureā„¢)
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Soylant Green

LOL!! Thats what I was thinking too!
7 posted on 01/26/2008 10:54:12 PM PST by kb2614 (Hell hath no fury than a bureaucrat scorned)
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To: bruinbirdman
In other words, when you are no longer a productive slave, you are worthless and should die.

Isn’t socialism wonderful?

8 posted on 01/26/2008 10:54:51 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: bruinbirdman
Spiraling downward...
9 posted on 01/26/2008 10:55:58 PM PST by kimmie7 (this year i will turn ffff....ffo........foooort.........i can't say it. i'll just be 20. twice.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Just think, we helped save them from the Nazis yet some of them are turning into those same Nazis.


10 posted on 01/26/2008 11:00:04 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Goofus hits the computer's power button to turn it off, Gallant shuts down properly)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I was thinking close to the very same phrase!


11 posted on 01/26/2008 11:00:54 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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I need to send my ex wife over there....... I’ll tell her they have free healthcare.


12 posted on 01/26/2008 11:02:45 PM PST by umgud
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No treatment for the frail elderly? At least it is “free”!

You get your money’s worth in the UK.


13 posted on 01/26/2008 11:03:42 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: Mark
When you reach age 30 you go to Carousel.


14 posted on 01/26/2008 11:04:33 PM PST by Dumpster Baby (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: umgud

One way!


15 posted on 01/26/2008 11:05:05 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: bruinbirdman

Pathetic isn’t it....using the same logic, if the car blows a tire, just get rid of the car...how soon they forget the terrible lessons of ethnic cleansing that we fought WW II for and the Cold War to protect the Soviet satellite countries, and Bosnia and several African countries and even today in their own country there are some who want to replace the Brit infidels with people of their own...Shame on them..


16 posted on 01/26/2008 11:06:14 PM PST by billmor (We will never surrender !)
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... with most saying the health service cannot afford to provide free care to everyone.

Isn't that how they originally pushed it? Free health care for everyone?

17 posted on 01/26/2008 11:06:26 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Surely somebody else must remember when this was predicted.


18 posted on 01/26/2008 11:11:32 PM PST by dsc
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To: bruinbirdman; neverdem; wagglebee; cpforlife.org

^


19 posted on 01/26/2008 11:12:48 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: dsc

Surely someone is listening to this but not the AMA, they’re running commercials about how sad it is that everyone isn’t insured. They obviously don’t understand that under universal care their salaries are going way down.


20 posted on 01/26/2008 11:15:27 PM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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