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Dems fail to override Bush veto of SCHIP
Bucks County Courier Times ^ | 1/24/08 | BRIAN SCHEID

Posted on 01/27/2008 3:01:33 PM PST by LdSentinal

House Democrats failed again Wednesday to override President Bush's veto of their plan to increase spending for a children's health insurance program.

The final vote, which was 260-152 with 42 Republicans voting for the plan and 151 Republicans voting against it, fell 15 votes shy of the two-thirds majority needed to override a veto.

It was the second time in three months that Democrats were unable to override Bush's veto, and Congressman Patrick Murphy, D-8, said Wednesday that he was fed up.

“This fight shows what's wrong with Washington,” Murphy said. “While dozens of Republicans in the House and Senate as well as 43 governors from across America support health care for children, far too many of my Republican colleagues refused to break from George Bush and do what's right.”

Before Wednesday's vote, Democrats tried to tie the slumping economy with the need to expand the program for families that may be hit hardest by a potential recession. There are currently 6,700 Bucks County children enrolled in the health insurance program, and Murphy said that number would likely grow with a grim economic forecast.

In October, a veto override attempt failed to garner a two-thirds majority with a 273-156 final vote and 44 Republicans voting to override the veto.

In a speech on the House floor, Congresswoman Allyson Schwartz pointed to a recent Joint Economic Committee report that claimed that 1 million additional children may become eligible for government-subsidized health care due to a rising unemployment rate.

“Now is not the time to turn our backs on these children,” Schwartz said. “It is time for my colleagues on the other side of the aisle to join us to support America's working families when times get tough.”

The plan would funnel an additional $35 billion in federal funding over the next five years into the State Children's Health Insurance Program and increase enrollment from 6 million to 10 million children during that time. The expansion would be funded by a 61-cent increase in the federal excise tax on cigarettes and other tobacco products, but Bush has said the bill would be a step towards socialized health care. When Bush vetoed the plan for a second time in December, he said the expanded program would encourage families to replace private insurance with a health plan that would be paid for by the government.

The plan to expand the children's health insurance program is popular with Pennsylvania's congressional delegation. Only three of Pennsylvania's 19 House members, Congressmen John Peterson, R-5, Joseph Pitts, R-16, and Bill Shuster, R-9, voted against the veto override. Both Pennsylvania senators, Arlen Specter, a Republican, and Bob Casey, a Democrat, support the expansion plan.

Murphy's district includes Bucks County, some districts of Abington, Upper Dublin and Upper Moreland in Montgomery County and two wards in Philadelphia. Schwartz's district includes the majority of Montgomery County and Northeast Philadelphia.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 110th; bush; money; schip; taxes; veto
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1 posted on 01/27/2008 3:01:36 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: LdSentinal

Time for the people to get rid of Patrick Murphy. He’s admitted now that he and his associates are total failures at leadership.


2 posted on 01/27/2008 3:03:25 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: LdSentinal

25 year old children?

Only in DC can that make sense.


3 posted on 01/27/2008 3:04:55 PM PST by airborne (The Founding Fathers would be deeply saddened.)
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To: LdSentinal

““This fight shows what’s wrong with Washington,” Murphy said.”

Bush’s veto is one of the few right things in Washington lately.


4 posted on 01/27/2008 3:12:15 PM PST by Magic Fingers
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To: muawiyah
Its time for the people to get rid of that flaming POS Arlen Specter, but hey, he’s got that big R next to his name, so by all means lets keep him.
5 posted on 01/27/2008 3:13:21 PM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: LdSentinal

hmm I guess Bush is tired of being a “compassionate” conservative when dems have congress


6 posted on 01/27/2008 3:14:56 PM PST by ari-freedom (the idea of Bill Clinton back in the White House with nothing to do is something I can’t imagine.)
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To: LdSentinal
The expansion would be funded by a 61-cent increase in the federal excise tax on cigarettes and other tobacco products...

Congress wants YOU to smoke! They've gotten themselves in quite the oxymoronic quandry since they want to count on tobacco dollars to support the program yet they consistently deride and regulate the product as bad for one's health. The Heritage Foundation conducted a study on SCHIP and tobacco funding demonstrating that 22 million new smokers would be needed by 2017to fund thei proposal.
7 posted on 01/27/2008 3:16:31 PM PST by callisto
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To: Magic Fingers

What’s really wrong with Washington is too many flakes like Murphy.


8 posted on 01/27/2008 3:19:06 PM PST by ab01
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To: LdSentinal

Good news, indeed!


9 posted on 01/27/2008 3:22:02 PM PST by CowboyJay (Mittens... You lost me at 'man-dates'. Just say no to RiNO's.)
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To: LdSentinal

So, 25-year-old “children” from families making $80,000/year can’t force me to buy their health insurance for them? Good. Thankfully, Bucks County Republicans will show up at the polls next election and get rid of that simple p.o.s. Murphy.


10 posted on 01/27/2008 3:23:46 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: airborne
25 year old children?

25-year olds are legal dependents if they remain under a guardian's financial obligation and are enrolled in school full-time. Gee, I hope my children decide to work while in college. :)
11 posted on 01/27/2008 3:23:56 PM PST by callisto
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To: ari-freedom
I guess Bush is tired of being a “compassionate” conservative when dems have congress

Snippy. More likely, he knows a socialist agenda when he sees it.

12 posted on 01/27/2008 3:25:31 PM PST by hsalaw
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To: hsalaw

he’s not the total bad guy that some conservatives like to think


13 posted on 01/27/2008 3:31:26 PM PST by ari-freedom (the idea of Bill Clinton back in the White House with nothing to do is something I can’t imagine.)
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To: LdSentinal

I don’t know who these congress critters are representing; but it sure ain’t us.


14 posted on 01/27/2008 3:32:32 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: hsalaw; ari-freedom; freekitty
I guess Bush is tired of being a “compassionate” conservative when dems have congress

Snippy. More likely, he knows a socialist agenda when he sees it.
The Democrats in Congress will use every opportunity to expand any, and all, programs to conform to their Socialist agenda. They no longer even pretend to hide their true agenda. I haven't located an updated list, but...

59 Socialists in Congress – 2002
15 posted on 01/27/2008 3:35:36 PM PST by callisto
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To: LdSentinal
Ahhh them silly Dims...there so effective at producing sound legislation while in power in office. ,/sarc

Reminds me of a pouting 4 year old when told to clean up his/her room before they can play and then go to Micki D's. They go back and pick up 2 more toys and then want their way and cry until they get it.

What is it with their (the Dims) incessant need to constantly grow government with every working day when in session?

16 posted on 01/27/2008 3:44:27 PM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: bill1952
Its time for the people to get rid of that flaming POS Arlen Specter, but hey, he’s got that big R next to his name, so by all means lets keep him.

So you would like to replace him with a Big D like you did with Rick Santorum.

There are two options elect a liberal Republican or an even more Liberal Democrat.

The right wingers tried to take down Specter and only succeeded in taking down Santorum.

YOu could take down spector and ensure that Democrats keep control of the senate for the next 50 years.

Consevatives can't do arithmatic. They think the 35 percent of voters that are conservative can cast over 50 percent of the votes.


17 posted on 01/27/2008 3:49:30 PM PST by Common Tator
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To: muawiyah
Time for the people to get rid of Patrick Murphy.

The battle has been enjoined:

Marine Reservist Plans to Challenge Murphy (Tom Manion, father of Travis)

18 posted on 01/27/2008 3:50:05 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: LdSentinal; All
Given that the federal Constitution says nothing about health care, the 10th A. automatically reserves government power to address health care issues to the states.
10th Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
In fact, Jefferson reflected on the Founder's division of federal and state government powers by noting that the Founders had trusted the states, not the federal government, with the care of people. See for yourself.
"Our citizens have wisely formed themselves into one nation as to others and several States as among themselves. To the united nation belong our external and mutual relations; to each State, severally, the care of our persons, (emphasis added) our property, our reputation and religious freedom." --Thomas Jefferson: To Rhode Island Assembly, 1801. ME 10:262 http://tinyurl.com/onx4j
So regarding Congress's attempt to override the President's veto of the health care bill, Congress actually had no business trying to exercise non-existent federal powers by making the bill in the first place.

This post (<-click), while addressing a tax related thread, attempts to show in general how the health care bill is a consequence of FDR's 10th A.-ignoring establishment of his New Deal programs, in my opinion.

(If anybody feels inclined to comment about the post referenced above, please do so in this thread.)

On the other hand, the people can always exercise their Article V powers to amend the Constitution to properly authorize the feds to manage health care. But until the people choose to do so, health care remains a state power issue.

The bottom line is that the people need to wise up to the very serious of widespread corruption in the federal government, particularly where the 10th A. protected powers of the states are being ignored, a consequence of FDR's dirty politics. The people need to quit sitting on their hands and petition lawmakers, judges and justices who are not upholding their oaths to defend the Constitution, demanding that they resign from their jobs.

19 posted on 01/27/2008 4:05:58 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: Amendment10
Congress actually had no business trying to exercise non-existent federal powers by making the bill in the first place.

Congress has NO business trying to exercise many of the federal powers that they consistently attempt to force upon Americans. Too few citizens know the contents of our Constitution let alone recognize when Congress oversteps their boundaries. Our Founding Fathers must roll over in their graves daily!
20 posted on 01/27/2008 4:14:25 PM PST by callisto
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