Skip to comments.Smith & Wesson Receives Order from Colorado State Patrol
Posted on 01/29/2008 9:01:28 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation , parent company of Smith & Wesson Corp., the legendary 156-year old company in the global business of safety, security, protection and sport, announced today that it has received an order from the Colorado State Patrol for 850 of the company's Military & Police (M&P) Series of advanced-design polymer pistols. The Smith & Wesson M&P40, chambered in .40 S&W, will be issued to each officer of the Colorado State Patrol to replace early-model Smith & Wesson pistols that have served as the primary duty firearms for the department.
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It is a good gun.
I have one of these, I love it!
It’s a quality piece, a little pricey but still one I wouldn’t mind having on me if the brown stuff hit the fan.
But I love my M&P 9, and now shoot IDPA and USPSA almost exclusively with it!
A nice benefit is that it cleans up in about 15 minutes, as opposed to an hour and a half.
This is because the Glock 40’s are blowing up.
I have 2 Glock .357’s that are the boss. I would have liked to get my service weapon when I left LEO work but Sig’s are a little pricey.
I agree. A good move by the CSP.
The 357 is a really good cartridge, but I feel more comfortable being able to find ammo for 9/45 if I am out in BFE.
I remedy that by keeping at least 1000 rounds on hand as I shoot through them.
They are taking the lead with the tax rebate.
BAGWYR (Buy A Gun With Your Rebate)
They were previously issuing Smith & Wessons and were probably comfortable with their relationship with the company.
The Glock Kb propaganda is a little yesterday, dontcha think?
Dunno about the Glock, but Wolf 124gr (or maybe it's 115gr) 9mm does NOT cycle properly in my HiPower. In fact, it's the only thing said HiPower has refused to eat.
Dunno 'bout KB, though. Never had that happen, nor seen it happen, nor heard first hand of it happening.
You are right about Colorado having a good relationship with Smith, as Smith offers a lot of extras on most of their contracts.
If they make an M&P10, I’ll consider it. I don’t like the .40 Short and Weak. Love my 10mm though...
Centerfires? Why not Ruger 22's, ammo is far less expensive?
M&P or XD in 9mm would both be great choices, I'd go with the best deal you can get on either one.
I know the NM State Police ditched the Glock in .357 Sig last year and went back to .45’s (either HK or S&W - not sure) due to reliability issues.
i carry the 9mm P226 on duty and a smaller S&W 9mm tactical off-duty. love both of them but wouldnt carry the sig off duty and i wouldnt carry the smith on duty. they have their place.
... six years ago. Isolated to a manufacturing defect.
Plenty of reasons not to like Glocks, but I can't imagine "unreliable" being anywhere near the top of the list.
I'd speculate there's more to the story, perhaps concerns over AD/ND.
OTOH, Glocks and female or small/petite framed shooters sometimes don't mix well, they are prone to FTF malfs if not gripped firmly.
I pumped the cheap steel cased wolf thru my Glock 19 to see what would happen. It worked fine. I have fed all kinds of ammo thru each of my Glocks, and they have eaten everything. Several thousand rounds, and not a single hiccup from any of them.
I shoot IDPA and many of the shooters use Glock 19 or 17s. No one that I talked with has ever experienced any problems. I’m sure the M&Ps are fine guns too.
I've certainly seen issues with Glocks - but they are typically related to ammo, magazines or technique, and can nearly always be corrected with some attention to mag springs, recoil springs, or ammo.
For the vast majority though, they are as you state - dead nuts reliable.
the nice thing is the rebate deal now going through April 1st. Buy an M&P and get 2 extra mags and a 50 dollar rebate.
I got the .40 and my wife got the 9mm.
I don’t believe the reliability issue was in the function, especially with a necked down case. I think that many of the high volume shooters were causing mechanical issues with the metal inserts in the polymer frame. It’s, as you know, a fairly snappy round. The only other Glock I can think of chambered in something of similar mojo is the 10mm, and I don’t think those, as a rule, see as much shooting volume.
NMSP tends to hire fairly husky individuals given the lack of backup they can expect, there are several 1 officer posts that cover close to 1000 square miles. They also are the ones that get sent into little towns when the local cops either all quit or are overwhelmed. They tend to like bombproof guns. They carried S&W 4506’s for a long time, a boat anchor yes, but plenty robust.
Of course, my opinion is suspect ‘cause I’m a big .38 Super fan. :)
How does the 40 compare to the 9 and the 10mm? I remember the 10 was quite powerful, it went through trees.
I intend to do that.
I just don’t know what.
I can see a high round count with .357SIG causing more maintenance issues than might be acceptable to a department, motivating a switch to a heavier gun.
.38 super rocks. i’m still hoping sig decides to start making their 1911 with an .38super option.
Yeah. When I pick up a Glock, I know it will go bang.
I will correct myself though to say that I have heard occassional complaints about failure to cycle, but that has never happened to me, even once.
biggest reliability issue with glocks is with “recycling” ammo, with chambering, unchambering, chambering, unchambering.. most autos don’t have a heavy crimp, so the bullet can seat itself deeper (eventually causing KB) or pull itself out (causing FTF).
also issues of reloads, if no done properly, they can also FTF.
My wife purchased a 1000 rd box of Wolf in preparation for a self defense class in San Diego (2000). Her Sig 225 was full of tiny metal flakes after about 200 rds. It was jamming. I purchased some high quality 9mm brass and loaded up some 124 gr that perfectly cycled the Sig 225 for the remainder of her class. No problems with good quality ammo. We've been feeding the Wolf stuff to her Ruger PC9 rifle. It works fine there.
The 225 is a great single stack 9.
Absolutely, bullet setback upon repeated chambering is a significant risk factor that is difficult to diagnose after the gun explodes.
Gotta keep an eye on that seating depth, critical for an LEO that loads and unloads daily.
how about buying ammo and reloading supplies with your rebate?
i just realised that i’m REALLY low on .45 and i need different dies for it for my new turret press.
I have a friend who reviews firearms for some firearms publications. He has reviewed both the XD and M&P.
He prefers the XD's trigger. Both were good on the range. Both seemed capable of good durability.
Setback with .40 will destroy those guns also. .40SW is a high pressure round with little tolerance for setback, as compared to .45ACP or 9x19.
A steel gun may absorb the damage a little better, but it will still be rendered catastrophically inop.
Thanks for that. Key info that I was unaware of.
So, is it best to cycle the carry ammo?
Yeah they deserve some rising fortunes after the debacle the former owners had in their "deal with the devil" during the Clinton regime. They've since had their own regime change and this old gun maker deserves a new start.
Inspect it frequently and rotate the first round, so you don't constantly bang the same cartridge against the ramp. All the cartridges should show the same amount of bullet exposed above the case mouth, discard any short rounds.
I also tend to leave my carry gun loaded all the time, but that's not an option for everybody.
The XD is a great gun and a favorite of mine. I really like the feel of both the XD and the M&P. I would take the time and get familiar with these guns and the students as well and then buy. You might also consider the Ruger SR9. The Ruger is not a flat top and some like that better. You will get great service out of all the mentioned above. I have had good luck with my Glock 27 and also my Sigs.
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