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No Conservatives Please - The Writing on the Wall in South Carolina
NewsByUs ^ | JB Williams

Posted on 01/29/2008 9:14:31 AM PST by PlainOleAmerican

The Writing on the Wall in South Carolina - Thompson didn’t fail the Republican Party. The Party that failed to present a conservative themselves, or support one even when conservatives drafted one, failed Thompson.

Shade tree political pundits, who worked around the clock to douse ice water on Fred Thompson’s conservative campaign for President, are busy with their “I told you so” follow-ups. For them, Thompson’s departure from the race is interpreted as hard proof that the candidate was indeed “too old,” “too unhealthy,” “too lazy” and “too disinterested” in winning or leading. But for those who know Fred best, those who drafted him and worked to support him, his departure confirms something quite different…something much worse.

Thompson is simply too Conservative

At a time in history when conservatives are referred to as only a “fringe” of the Republican Party, and when fundamental American values and principles are called “extreme right-wing ideas,” a truly conservative candidate can’t win.

Conservative candidates never do well in liberal strongholds like New Hampshire, where nearly 50 percent of all voters are registered Independent and even Republicans vote liberal, or Michigan, the labor union capitol of the United States. Losing in liberal stronghold states is no surprise; in fact, it’s more a confirmation of one’s conservative credentials.

But not so long ago, there was no such thing as “too conservative” for South Carolina and that’s why Thompson bet his farm on South Carolina. Due to how early primaries are scheduled in liberal leaning states, a conservative candidate must begin his quest for national office in South Carolina, the first traditionally conservative state to hold a primary.

The History Thompson knows too well

For any conservative (or Republican) to win a national election, he must unite at least two of the three primary branches of the Republican Party. History provides a vital lesson in this regard.

In 1980, even on the heels of a disastrous Carter administration, Ronald Reagan united the conservative base of the party, the evangelical wing of the party, fiscal, social and national security conservatives and still won the White House with only 50.7% of the popular vote.

In 1984, Reagan won a second term with 58.8% of the popular vote and a party more united than any time in the 20th Century.

In 1988, George HW Bush won on Reagan’s legacy and a promise to continue Reagan policies into the future. Less popular than Reagan, Bush still garnered 53.4% of the popular vote, with all branches of the Republican Party still intact.

In 1991, Bush approval ratings were at an all time high after successfully ejecting Iraq’s Hussein from Kuwait and pushing him from the Saudi border all the way back to Baghdad.

But by 1992, Bush had parted company with the conservative base of his party by compromising with Democrats in congress, breaking his “no new taxes” pledge and setting the federal government back on the path of growth and liberal fiscal irresponsibility.

Evangelicals were divided now, but the conservative base of the party walked away from Bush en masse and sided with fiscal conservative pie-chart candidate Ross Perot. Bush lost what otherwise would have been an easy re-election, dropping to only 37.4% of the popular vote, handing Bill Clinton the White House with only 43% of the popular vote, opposed by 57% of the nation.

In 1994, after Hillary Clinton’s failed attempts to socialize America’s medical industry, American conservatives seized control of both houses of congress in a landslide movement to block Democrats from socializing anything under Clinton. Led by Newt Gingrich’s platform of the boldest conservative policy initiatives in decades, the Contract with America, Republicans controlled congress for the first time in 40 years.

But again in 1996, the RNC powers put forth a less than fully conservative candidate, Bob Dole, who failed to reunite or inspire the primary branches of the party. Once again, with the party divided, Bill Clinton won re-election, this time with 49.2% of the popular vote.

In 2000, a born again evangelical from Texas with a prominent last name, promising to return the Republican Party to it’s conservative roots and reunite the conservative base with the evangelical wing, fiscal, social and national security conservatives, won the White House. But this time, voters in the conservative base were not fully sold, having been burnt by his father only a few years earlier, concerned over what he meant by “compassionate conservative.”

As a result, Bush 43 actually lost the popular national vote by over a half million voters. He got lucky, winning the Electoral College vote, namely in Florida, by less than 600 votes in the end.

Seven months following his inauguration, 9/11 happened. The conservative base, evangelicals and national security hawks were once again fully united and in 2004, Bush won his bid for re-election by more than 3 million voters.

Unfortunately, by 2006 however, Bush 43 with the help of a do-nothing Republican Congress once again turned on both the conservative base and evangelicals, and the nation came to understand that “compassionate conservative” meant “amnesty for illegals”, open borders at a time of war against terrorism, apologetic national security and war planning, record social spending, record deficits and a declining dollar.

Base conservatives and evangelicals were furious and they demonstrated their frustration with liberal Republican leadership by removing incumbent Republicans from power and returning control of both houses of congress over to Democrats.

In 2008, History is poised to Repeat

Fred Thompson was the only complete traditional conservative in the race for the White House in 2008. Giuliani is a national security hawk, but otherwise, as liberal as the average Democrat voter. Romney and Huckabee talk tough on security, but oppose many of the measures needed to provide for national security and both have a less than conservative fiscal and social resume.

McCain can actually be accused of almost single handedly causing the Republican bloodbath of 2006. McCain opposes Gitmo, interrogation of known terrorists, many Patriot Act policies that have already resulted in a safer America. He opposed Bush’s tax cuts and led the charge for Campaign Finance Reform, some of which has already been ruled “unconstitutional” by the Supreme Court and his failed agenda of Amnesty for illegal aliens.

Divided Still

In order for any conservative (or Republican) to win a national election, they must have the ability to reunite the same branches of the party that Reagan united in 1980 and 1984, that Bush 41 kept intact for 1988, but fractured in 1992. The base branches of the party that Gingrich united in victory in 1994 and Bush 43 reunited in 2004 was fractured again in 2006 and remains fractured as we head into the 2008 election cycle.

The Writing on the Wall in South Carolina

Thompson had to win South Carolina. To do so, he had to have the support of base conservative, which he certainly had. But he also needed support from the evangelical wing, which is lined up behind Huckabee, and national security conservatives, which are divided between Giuliani and Romney. In the end, Thompson only had the support of the traditional conservative base that drafted him into the race. Thompson was unable to unite the other branched he needed to go forward and if they would not unite in South Carolina, they would not unite at all.

So, John McCain, the man who was almost single handedly responsible for the 2006 blood bath, emerged from South Carolina the victor.

Like his win in New Hampshire, his win in South Carolina was not the result of core conservatives, evangelicals, national security, fiscal or social conservative, all of whom remain divided between the other candidates. McCain won in New Hampshire and South Carolina with Independent voters.

South Carolina Democrats have even endorsed a man named Barack “Hussein” Obama, who is left of Hillary Clinton, in case you thought that wasn’t possible, who has no résumé of real accomplishment, political or otherwise, and who unlike Hillary, really will cut-n-run from the very real war against international Islamic terror.

No Conservatives Please

We know that the liberal northeast will only support the most liberal Republicans in any race. But South Carolina has in the past stuck to their conservative roots and advanced the most conservative candidates. Not this time…

This time, like the rest of the country, South Carolina failed to unite behind a conservative and instead, divided, they advanced the most liberal Republican in the race, John “amnesty” McCain.

Set in Stone

Thompson knows history and politics well enough to know that a conservative loss in South Carolina means a conservative loss across the divided plains. Thompson’s decision to depart the race was made not by Thompson, but by South Carolina voters.

History is set to repeat and Thompson saw it big time in South Carolina.

Thompson had core conservatives. But evangelicals are locked over behind Pastor Huckabee. Rudy has social liberals who are tough on crime and terrorism. Romney has the fiscally conservative Mormon vote and true moderates and Independents are with McCain.

That spells - no conservative for 2008 and most likely, no Republican as well.

Thompson has listened to the voice of the people who do not want conservative leadership in 2008. That’s why he’s out of the race.

Conservative voters are now stuck with a decision they have had to make for several years now. A choice between supporting a slow march to the left under a Republican, or supporting the “shock treatment” of allowing voters to realize the consequences of supporting only left-leaning candidates.

Many Thompson supporters vow to vote for Thompson in their primary anyway. I will likely join them in that statement!

But with no conservative in the race, electing a conservative in November is a literal impossibility. Conservatives can only vote against a candidate. There is no candidate to vote for… The sole conservative in the race did not fail Republicans. Republicans failed him.

And history repeats again. This time, for all the marbles!


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To: Centurion2000

That’s true, but he never marketed himself as Reagan. He was the steady, experienced hand to lead after 4 years of sleaze with Clintoon.


61 posted on 01/29/2008 10:49:48 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: fieldmarshaldj
These 4 leading RINO asshats today are all degrees of liberal or trending that way...

They are what the majority of the moderate element of the electorate want them to be. The only sure path to dominance for either bona fide Conservatives or Liberals is national disaster, at least the perception of it. When- not if - economic and or security issues are sufficiently urgent to rouse the materialistic herd from its fun and games, we will have consensus in one way or another. Until such a time, we are mired in the middle.
62 posted on 01/29/2008 10:53:05 AM PST by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.-- Mencken)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

The positive in Obama’s favor is because he is an unknown quantity, he could get a lot more votes. Because Hillary is so well-known and the fact that almost nobody doesn’t have an opinion (positive or negative), she is instantly polarizing. A lot of Dems recognize that and think going with empty-suit Obama is a better bet.

And, yes, you’re right, he is more dangerous. He is either the most or tied for being the most extreme-left Senators. We know the kind of criminality Hillary will engage in, but we have no idea what Obama is likely to do.


63 posted on 01/29/2008 10:53:47 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: PerConPat
"They are what the majority of the moderate element of the electorate want them to be."

I'll say straight out that the majority of most states GOPs voting base are Conservatives. The problem is that a lot of them chose not to look at the substance of the candidates and looked merely at the outer package and rhetoric instead. Their stupidity at doing so has already doomed us in this election. There will be enough of a depressed turnout for the GOP (pay attention to the rash of retirements in Congress, they see what's about to happen and they want no part of it) that all Hillary (or Obama) have to do is turn out the same numbers they got in 2004 (59 million) and we won't be able to match that. Take a look at the dropoff in party support for GHW Bush in 1988 (49 million) vs. 1992 (39 million), and that gives you an idea. Except Conservatives (at this point) don't have a 3rd party to support in protest, so their failure to turn out will have ghastly repercussions for the Congressional vote (and I'm expecting upwards of losing 7 seats in the Senate and perhaps upwards of 30 in the House).

64 posted on 01/29/2008 11:02:41 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: fieldmarshaldj
I'll say straight out that the majority of most states GOPs voting base are Conservatives.

I wouldn't disagree with you on that point. The rub, IMHO, centers around the fact that GOP nominees must have support from crossover, independent etc. sources; and that is what drives McCain, Romney and their ilk. By the way, I would much rather see Hillary as the Rat nominee.
65 posted on 01/29/2008 11:15:14 AM PST by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.-- Mencken)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Thompson is too conservative?

BS!

BFS!

His lifetime ACU rating is lower than McCain, Frist and Baker!!

No Conservative has RUN because Bush spent 8 years undermining them.


66 posted on 01/29/2008 11:20:46 AM PST by RachelFaith (Doing NOTHING... about the illegals already here IS Amnesty !!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
I agree with you about Dole not being a RINO. He was viewed as a fire-breathing conservative when he came on the scene in the 1970's. He was put on the ticket in 1976 as a sop to conservatives when Reagan didn't get the nomination.

That said, by 1996 the movement spawned by Reagan's election had somewhat passed him by.

67 posted on 01/29/2008 11:21:40 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

The only problem with that statement about Jeb Bush is that Jeb Bush is also for the same amnesty for illegal immigrants programs that both President George W. Bush and Senator John McCain are for, and this fact would also help to divide the conservative base! Jeb is fine other than his views about the issue of illegal immigration.


68 posted on 01/29/2008 11:54:53 AM PST by johnthebaptistmoore
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Correct, as relates to SC at least.

Second, before “fly-over” Republicans, which make up the lions share of conservatives in the party, could cast a single vote, all conservatives were already run out of the race by early RINO state primaries where Independents and even Democrats have as much say about the RNC nominee as Republicans do.

The fact is, the RNC nomination process is designed to net a “moderate” candidate, not a conservative candidate. In this regard, it works perfectly.

But it is the conservative base of the party which is repeatedly out in the cold via that process.


69 posted on 01/29/2008 12:09:23 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: RachelFaith

Screw you and your ACU ratings...

Thompson’s voting record stands as is and his campaign platform was by far the most detailed and the most conservative.

Which RINO are you supporting? Or are you a Paulestinian fraud?


70 posted on 01/29/2008 12:13:41 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Well, the fact is Fred’s out of the race and if conservatives sit this one out, we’ll get President McCain, or, God help us, President Hillary (or Obama?). Think about a Dem sending two (at least) young, liberal, pro-abortion SCOTUS nominees to a Dem Senate.


71 posted on 01/29/2008 12:23:25 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: PlainOleAmerican

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1957934/posts?page=182#182


72 posted on 01/29/2008 12:55:38 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: colorado tanker
Well, with Romney, those two young liberal pro-aborts will be his SCOTUS nominees. After all, Jerry Ford gave the court John Paul Stevens, ancient liberal trash closing in on 90 that still infests the court.
73 posted on 01/29/2008 12:57:46 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: fieldmarshaldj
In American politics a guy only gets one "flip." If he does two, he's finished. Romney can't flip back to pro-choice.

McCain, in contrast, is a charter member of the Gang of 14 and even though he's pro-life, would probably nominate a liberal just to suck up to Ted Kennedy.

74 posted on 01/29/2008 1:19:41 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Crazy talk, ain’t it? lol

If the same media managed to convince a large portion of America that Britney Spears had talent, they could convince them of anything! heheh


75 posted on 01/29/2008 1:20:45 PM PST by nodumbblonde
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To: colorado tanker

Of course he can flip back, because I don’t buy for half-a-second that he is remotely sincere. You can take this bank, there is nothing that comes out of Romney’s mouth that can be taken for honest when he is campaigning. Absolutely nothing. There’s a reason why I consider him the worst of the bunch. I also saw the trash he put on the bench in MA, and they can be summed up in two words: Kathe Tuttman. He just doesn’t care.


76 posted on 01/29/2008 1:38:35 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: colorado tanker

I see no significant difference between Clinton and McClinton. Huckabee might make a decent pastor, but a dangerous president.

Paul is a nut and a fraud.

Rudy (the last national security hawk in the race) is done after losing Florida.

The hold my nose and close my eyes candidate is fast becoming Mitt Romney. But beyond his business experience, I see nothing there to vote for either. MacArthur he ain’t... He’s FAR from cool under pressure. He ain’t even a lite-weight “W” in the war on terror, let alone the war against leftist Americans which also must be won.

Hard to get excited about voting for anything except congressional seats this time around.

We had better start focusing on congressional seats immediately. No matter who wins the WH, we’re going to need every vote we can get in congress...


77 posted on 01/29/2008 5:11:17 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican
Well, it’s clear tonight, after the returns are in, that Romney’s the only hope for an alternative to McQueeg.
78 posted on 01/29/2008 8:38:50 PM PST by colorado tanker
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