Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Retired Green Beret shoots intruder, gets court martial
MKS Views ^ | 1/29/08 | n/a

Posted on 01/30/2008 9:00:28 AM PST by kiriath_jearim

BREVARD, Jan. 19, 2008 - Retired Army Green Beret James T. (Smokey) Taylor got his court martial this weekend and came away feeling pretty good about it. Taylor, at age 79, is one of the oldest members of Chapter XXXIII (The Larry Thorne Chapter) of the Special Forces Association.He was placed on trial by fellow Chapter XXXIII members under the charge of “failing to use a weapon of sufficient caliber” in the shooting of an intruder at his home in Knoxville , TN , in November.

The court martial, of course, was very much tongue in cheek. The event itself was deadly serious. Taylor had been awakened in the early morning hours of November 5, 2007,when an intruder broke into his home. He investigated the noises with one of his many weapons in hand. “It was just after Halloween, on Monday morning at 4:30,” Taylor said. I heard this commotion at the door and grabbed my fishing gun, a little .22 revolver, to see what was going on. I got to the front door and this fellow had ripped my security door out of its frame. He said, ‘you’re going to have to kill me. I’m coming in.’”

When a warning to leave went unheeded, Taylor brought his .22 caliber pistol to bear and shot him right between the eyes. “I was about four feet away from him when I shot,” Taylor said. “Looking back now, I’m glad he didn’t die, but that boy had the hardest head I’ve ever seen. The bullet bounced right off.” The impact knocked the would-be thief down momentarily. He crawled out of the house then got up and ran down the street. Taylor dialed 911 and Knoxville police apprehended the wounded man about 200 yards away, hiding in a hedgerow.

Complicating the case, as well as the court martial, the offender was released on bail but failed to appear for his court date. Knoxville police said the man was homeless. They did not know his whereabouts or why he had been given bail. The charges brought against Taylor by his fellow Green Berets were considered to be serious. He is a retired Special Forces Weapons Sergeant with extensive combat experience during the wars in Korea and Vietnam. “Charges were brought against him under the premise that he should have saved the county and taxpayers the expense of a trial,” said Chapter XXXIII President Bill Long of Asheville , NC.

The trial was held at the Hampton Inn in Brevard, part of the group’s regularly scheduled quarterly meeting. Long appointed a judge, Bert Bates, a defense counsel, Jim Hash, and a prosecutor, Charlie Ponds. All are retired Special Forces non-commissioned officers with extensive combat and weapons experience. Ponds outlined the case against Taylor , emphasizing that the citizens of Knox County were going to be burdened with significant costs to again apprehend, and then prosecute and defend the would-be burglar.

“Proper choice of a larger caliber gun would have spared the citizens this financial burden,” Ponds said, “while removing one bad guy from the streets for good. He could have used a .45 or .38. The .22 just wasn’t big enough to get the job done. Hash disagreed. He said Taylor had done the right thing in choosing to arm himself with a 22. “If he’d used a .45 or something like that the round would have gone right through the perp, the wall, the neighbor’s wall and possibly injured some innocent child asleep in its bed. I believe the evidence shows that Smokey Taylor exercised excellent judgment in his choice of weapons. He clearly remains to this day an excellent weapons man.”

Hash then floated a theory as to why the bullet bounced off the perp’s forehead. “He was victimized by old ammunition,” he said, “just as he was in Korea and again in Vietnam , when his units were issued ammo left over from World War II.” Taylor said nothing in his own defense, choosing instead to allow his peers to debate the matter. The jury, consisting of all the members of the Chapter, discussed the merits of choosing a larger caliber weapon as well as the obvious benefits to society of permanently deleting the intruder so he would never again threaten any private citizen. The other side of the coin, that of accidentally causing injury to a completely innocent citizen if a more powerful gun had been used, also gained considerable support.

Following testimony from both sides, Judge Bates determined the charges should be dismissed. The decision was met with a round of applause. In fact, there was strong sentiment expressed that Taylor should receive an award for not only choosing wisely in picking up the 22, but for the accuracy of his aim under difficult and dangerous conditions. After the trial Taylor said the ammunition was indeed old and added the new information that the perp had soiled his pants as he crawled out the door. “I would have had an even worse mess to clean up if it had gone through his forehead,” Taylor said. “It was good for both of us that it didn’t.” Meanwhile, back in Knox County , the word is out: Don’t go messing with Smokey Taylor. He just bought a whole bunch of fresh ammo.

[Tribune Editor Bill Fishburne is a member of the Larry Thorne Chapter XXXIII of the Special Forces Association. Hat tip Oswald Bastable’s Ranting.]

[Smokey Taylor]


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: North Dakota; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: armedcitizen; banglist; courtmartial; greenberet; humor; selfdefense; specialforces
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-122 next last

1 posted on 01/30/2008 9:00:33 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim

Saw this on another forum, great stuff!


2 posted on 01/30/2008 9:03:27 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim
LOL! ....ha! ha! I like their style. :)
3 posted on 01/30/2008 9:04:43 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (just b/c your paranoid, doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you. :^( FRed was LMSM roadkill)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim

scrappleface? has to be... but then again we live in strange times. the good get punished, and the bad get exalted to unseen heights.


4 posted on 01/30/2008 9:05:44 AM PST by Ancient Drive
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ancient Drive
"The court martial, of course, was very much tongue in cheek."
5 posted on 01/30/2008 9:07:18 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim

Great bunch of guys!


6 posted on 01/30/2008 9:08:25 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (And close the damned borders!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim

Too funny, perhaps a .22 mag would be a happy middle ground?


7 posted on 01/30/2008 9:08:31 AM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3/Cry havoc and let slip the RINOS)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: skinkinthegrass
A .22 is a great weapon for accuracy as the shot between the eyes show. I'd suggest he use a magnum cylinder next time with copper hollow points. They won't bounce off.

But, seriously, kudos to the old guy for a well placed and accurate shot. Most of us couldn't do that well under stress.

8 posted on 01/30/2008 9:09:38 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim

Forwarding to the local SF chapter.


9 posted on 01/30/2008 9:09:57 AM PST by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: DaveLoneRanger

LMAO ping!


10 posted on 01/30/2008 9:10:39 AM PST by Lurker (Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim

Perhaps the security that can be ripped down should have been on trial.


11 posted on 01/30/2008 9:10:39 AM PST by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim
ROFL!!!

Good shootin', Smokey! Git some ...

12 posted on 01/30/2008 9:10:57 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim

BUMP for excellence in posting!


13 posted on 01/30/2008 9:12:00 AM PST by Lancey Howard
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Travis McGee; Squantos; B4Ranch; Grampa Dave; Noumenon; Lurker; Eaker
FYI: In the midst of the ongoing primary issue, here's a story you my like.

...way to go smokie! We need more folks willing to act in such a manner in such circumstances.

14 posted on 01/30/2008 9:14:18 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim; smoothsailing; RedRover; freema

Great read ping!

Good for Smokey Taylor and his fellow Special Forces.


15 posted on 01/30/2008 9:15:37 AM PST by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

“That’s going to leave a mark” ping!


16 posted on 01/30/2008 9:15:48 AM PST by occamrzr06
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim
Smokey Taylor: The latest entry on my Hero List. (But you really do need to upgrade your ordnance, Smokey.)

Remember this?

"No need to let something like that live."
~J.C. Adams~

DECATUR, Ga. (AP) - When 74-year-old J.C. Adams saw three would-be robbers walk into his convenience store, he grabbed his shotgun with one hand and balanced himself on his walker with the other. On a surveillance monitor, he saw two men and a woman hold up an employee at the cash register Thursday night. That's when Adams pushed his walker to the front of the store and confronted the armed suspects, killing one man and wounding the other. An employee held the woman until police arrived.

"No need to let something like that live," said Adams, who had been wounded in a May 2000 robbery attempt in which he killed another intruder.

In his 26 years as owner of the Pac A Sac, a convenience store in a middle-class suburb just off Lawrenceville Highway, Adams has been robbed 12 times. He keeps the shotgun nearby now as he watches the store monitors. The walker he uses because of a recent knee surgery.

“74-Year-Old Convenience Store Owner on Walker Fatally Shoots Would-Be Robber.” Samira Jafari. Associated Press, January 10, 2003.

17 posted on 01/30/2008 9:16:09 AM PST by Savage Beast ("History is not just cruel. It is witty." ~Charles Krauthammer)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Vigilanteman
kudos to the old guy for a well placed and accurate shot. Most of us couldn't do that well under stress...:) well, the (conservative) first rule: GOOD EYE / AIM
18 posted on 01/30/2008 9:16:29 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (just b/c your paranoid, doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you. :^( FRed was LMSM roadkill)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim
Great story. Everyone knows that a .22 only serves to aggravate the delicate psychological balance of a situation. A .45, however, is single-session therapy.

-Joan

19 posted on 01/30/2008 9:16:39 AM PST by JoanVarga ("¿Por qué no te calles?")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim
Coin check!

De Oppresso Libre, Thank you Smokey for your service.

20 posted on 01/30/2008 9:18:49 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Stop the unFair Tax now; before it is fair for your neighbor and not you.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim

AT 4 feet? shoot the bad guy in the eye with a .22 ... he wont get up.


21 posted on 01/30/2008 9:19:25 AM PST by Centurion2000
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo

Where there’s Smokey, there’s (gun)fire.
Good on you Smokey.


22 posted on 01/30/2008 9:19:30 AM PST by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Professional Engineer; alfa6; snippy_about_it; SAMWolf

ROTFLOL ping!


23 posted on 01/30/2008 9:19:59 AM PST by Samwise (Mister, we could use a man like Ronald Reagan again.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim

Great story!


24 posted on 01/30/2008 9:21:07 AM PST by navyguy (Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim

After the trial Taylor said the ammunition was indeed old and added the new information that the perp had soiled his pants as he crawled out the door. “I would have had an even worse mess to clean up if it had gone through his forehead,”


Every paragraph as a gem in it....................


25 posted on 01/30/2008 9:21:20 AM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim
Charge: Littering
Verdict: Guilty
Sentence: Police the area
26 posted on 01/30/2008 9:22:14 AM PST by steve-b (Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. --RAH)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim

I nominate this man for an award of merit. He has demonstrated excellent marksmanship, weapon selection and a keen sense of the negative impact of collateral damage. I do not know what the proper institution would be to bestow such an award. I do however believe that if this president is truly pro second amendmant such an award should be made at a state dinner held at the White House will all of the pomp and regalia such an event would normally be held with in honor of this great man he is a credit to his nation and a example that every young Black man should endeavor to emmulate.


27 posted on 01/30/2008 9:22:33 AM PST by kublia khan (Absolute war brings total victory)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Vigilanteman

.22 isn’t even a great caliber for accuracy. .22lr is great for accuracy. Given that this bullet bounced off, I’d wager it was just a .22 short.


28 posted on 01/30/2008 9:23:03 AM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim

i suppose it’s too much to hope for but, was there a video of this trial? that would be priceless!


29 posted on 01/30/2008 9:23:33 AM PST by tired1 (responsibility without authority is slavery!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: steve-b

I think the “litter” policed itself out of the AO ... problem now seems to be locating said litter for apprehension and proper disposal.


30 posted on 01/30/2008 9:23:50 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: JoanVarga

I tell you what, though... I bet that guy had a headache.


31 posted on 01/30/2008 9:25:59 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: padre35
All my carry pistols are in a caliber that starts with 4 and end in 5! Para-Ord LDA CCO owner. :-)
32 posted on 01/30/2008 9:26:30 AM PST by Crucis Country
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Oberon

Headache or no, I hope the kid mends his ways faster than his wound heals.

If ever someone had a right to think that maybe he was supposed to live and make something of himself, it’s that kid.

If he doesn’t, there’s plenty more new, shiny, and more effective bullets waiting for him down the road.


33 posted on 01/30/2008 9:29:46 AM PST by JoanVarga ("¿Por qué no te calles?")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Oberon
"Fishing gun"?

that is a new term for me.

34 posted on 01/30/2008 9:31:38 AM PST by -=SoylentSquirrel=- (I feel your pain.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim
Hand Salute........two

Good shoot'in but get a bigger gun.

35 posted on 01/30/2008 9:33:45 AM PST by bmwcyle (What is the American voter thinking?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: -=SoylentSquirrel=-
that is a new term for me.

In my river bank fishing days in the south it was used for snakes.

36 posted on 01/30/2008 9:33:53 AM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim

That’s hilarious.

But a head shot with a .22?

I was an Army PILOT, and I know better than that.

A hollow point round in larger caliber would not have traveled too far.


37 posted on 01/30/2008 9:37:24 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (At kaki metumtam, Rudy McRomnabee)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: -=SoylentSquirrel=-

Them Tennessee catfish can get a mite ornery.


38 posted on 01/30/2008 9:38:01 AM PST by jdub
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim
Smokey could be sued for teasing the perp victim and thereby harming his self esteem......
39 posted on 01/30/2008 9:38:24 AM PST by llevrok (Drink your beer, damnit! There are sober people in Africa!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bmwcyle

Fresh, long rifle hollow points I hope.


40 posted on 01/30/2008 9:39:21 AM PST by phil1750 (Love like you've never been hurt;Dance like nobody's watching;PRAY like it's your last prayer)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim
this fellow had ripped my security door out of its frame.

I give up. Why do you call it a "security door" ?

41 posted on 01/30/2008 9:41:18 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Crucis Country

Well, he did say he used his fishing pistol...man that is so great....LOL!


42 posted on 01/30/2008 9:42:00 AM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3/Cry havoc and let slip the RINOS)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: -=SoylentSquirrel=-

“Fishing gun”

In NC, it is legal to carry a .22 caliber pistol out of hunting season, most people carry them when fishing around areas were snakes could be hiding in the grass etc.

In rural areas it is not uncommon at all to see fisherman armed thusly.


43 posted on 01/30/2008 9:44:47 AM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3/Cry havoc and let slip the RINOS)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim
this fellow had ripped my security door out of its frame

Probably high on meth. Good work, Sarge!

44 posted on 01/30/2008 9:44:52 AM PST by colorado tanker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ArrogantBustard

Yeah - the scum himself has saved the taxpayer’s money by skipping bail. Too bad Smokey didn’t drop him where he stood. I hope they catch the guy before he breaks into a house with some unprepared gal at home. However, an A++ for effort by Smokey!


45 posted on 01/30/2008 9:47:06 AM PST by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim

OK, now that’s funny. “Use enough gun.” If it works, it’s enough gun.


46 posted on 01/30/2008 9:48:42 AM PST by Billthedrill
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim

Great post!


47 posted on 01/30/2008 9:50:56 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Izzy Dunne
this fellow had ripped my security door out of its frame.

I give up. Why do you call it a "security door"?
I suppose because it slows them down enough to be secure in your belief you can get to your “fishing Pistol” before he gets in the house.
48 posted on 01/30/2008 9:52:20 AM PST by SWO
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: Vigilanteman

Yes! .22mag. is not too shabby on the ballistics side


49 posted on 01/30/2008 10:34:18 AM PST by devistate one four (nam '68)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Samwise

LOL


50 posted on 01/30/2008 10:52:20 AM PST by Professional Engineer (www.pinupsforvets.com --- In other news, the liberal democrat, or the liberal democrat?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-122 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson