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How Do You Learn a Dead Language?
Slate ^ | Jan. 28, 2008 | Christine Cyr

Posted on 01/31/2008 10:15:54 AM PST by forkinsocket

Last week, Chief Marie Smith Jones, the only remaining native speaker of the Eyak language, died in her home in Anchorage, Alaska. Chief Jones' death makes Eyak—part of the Athabascan family of languages—the first known native Alaskan tongue to go extinct. Linguists fear that 19 more will soon follow the same fate. Fortunately, starting in 1961, Chief Jones and five other native-speaking Eyaks worked with Michael Krauss, a linguist at the University of Alaska in Fairbanks, to document Eyak in case future generations want to revive it. How would you go about learning a language that nobody speaks?

It depends. A well-documented language would have a dictionary, grammar book, a body of literature (such as folk tales or religious texts), and, in some cases, videos and recordings that a dedicated student could learn from. Eyak, for example, has all of these. Ideally, the grammar book and dictionary would spell out the sounds of the vowels (and tone, if there is any). If there isn't good documentation, linguists must reconstruct the language using whatever written stories or religious texts remain, and then borrow words, grammatical structures, and pronunciation from closely related languages, patching together their best guess at what they think the language sounded like.

In some cases, a language that's classified as "extinct" is still spoken in certain contexts. Latin, for example, is considered extinct, or dead, but is taught in schools and used in religious ceremonies. A language is generally considered extinct if it's no longer used in daily conversation. To be a living—or native—language, people must use it as a primary means of communication.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Israel; Miscellaneous; US: Alaska; War on Terror
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1 posted on 01/31/2008 10:15:54 AM PST by forkinsocket
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To: forkinsocket

Listen to a McCain speach?


2 posted on 01/31/2008 10:16:59 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: forkinsocket
How Do You Learn a Dead Language?

Converse with dead people?

3 posted on 01/31/2008 10:17:13 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: forkinsocket

How Do You Learn a Dead Language?

Tape recorder.

I am sure she has been taped over the years and translated along with the other 19 mentioned.

But why would you want to learn a language no one else knows?


4 posted on 01/31/2008 10:18:45 AM PST by edcoil
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To: forkinsocket
I think they're glossing over the difference between "extinct" and "dead" making it sound like there's no real difference.

Obscure indian languages can be lost and perhaps leave no trace. If that were to happen, they would be extinct. But Latin, though a dead language, is not likely to be extinct while civilization remains on earth.

5 posted on 01/31/2008 10:20:25 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: edcoil

“But why would you want to learn a language no one else knows?”

i think it has something to do with Bush and global warming.


6 posted on 01/31/2008 10:20:52 AM PST by tired1 (responsibility without authority is slavery!)
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To: Izzy Dunne
"Converse with dead people?"


"You have to see them first".

7 posted on 01/31/2008 10:22:20 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (Global warming is the new Marxism.)
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To: edcoil

>>But why would you want to learn a language no one else knows?

So nobody else can listen in when you talk to yourself. :)


8 posted on 01/31/2008 10:24:28 AM PST by vikingd00d
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To: forkinsocket

I speak conservatively, which is rapidly headed for extinction. Is anyone listening? Recording? Documenting?


9 posted on 01/31/2008 10:25:10 AM PST by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: EarthBound

How Do You Learn a Dead Language?

Fake it.


I must have mild dyslexia. I first thought the poster’s name was “foreskinrocket”...

Long day.


10 posted on 01/31/2008 10:25:23 AM PST by MacDorcha (Do you feel that you can place full trust in your obsevations of the physical world?)
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To: forkinsocket
The better question is WHY would anyone want to learn a dead language?
11 posted on 01/31/2008 10:27:01 AM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: forkinsocket
Sir Mix-A-Lot's "Baby Got Back" translated into Latin
12 posted on 01/31/2008 10:27:52 AM PST by Constitution Day (Ray Smuckles for President)
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To: Constitution Day

Vanilla Ice also knows Latin:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1434606/posts


13 posted on 01/31/2008 10:30:19 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: forkinsocket

Die?. :0)


14 posted on 01/31/2008 10:32:13 AM PST by seemoAR
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To: forkinsocket
Latin, for example, is considered extinct, or dead

Latin is far from dead. Actually it is being kept up to date and is in constant use in itself as well as being semi-concealed in a large fraction of English, French, etc.

15 posted on 01/31/2008 10:34:28 AM PST by RightWhale (oil--the world currency)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Hehe.
I remember posting both those threads... but the Mix-A-Lot one was more fun!


16 posted on 01/31/2008 10:35:29 AM PST by Constitution Day (Ray Smuckles for President)
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Linguists fear that 19 more will soon follow the same fate.

Why do they fear it? After all what good is it if no one speaks it?

. How would you go about learning a language that nobody speaks?

Much more importantly WHY would you?

17 posted on 01/31/2008 10:37:32 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: forkinsocket

This might happen to English in 100+ years.

25+ if we don’t secure our borders.


18 posted on 01/31/2008 10:37:33 AM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: forkinsocket
the only remaining native speaker of the Eyak language

The problem is right there. It is a spoken language. Or was.

19 posted on 01/31/2008 10:38:22 AM PST by RightWhale (oil--the world currency)
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To: edcoil

Kind of reminds of the classic question in Strategic Business Management classes:

“Who bought the first telephone offered for sale? And Why?”


20 posted on 01/31/2008 10:41:47 AM PST by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
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