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Democrats say McCain nearly abandoned GOP
The Hill ^ | 03/28/2007 | Bob Cusack

Posted on 01/31/2008 7:52:48 PM PST by Hoodat

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) was close to leaving the Republican Party in 2001, weeks before then-Sen. Jim Jeffords (Vt.) famously announced his decision to become an Independent, according to former Democratic lawmakers who say they were involved in the discussions.

In interviews with The Hill this month, former Sen. Tom Daschle (D-S.D.) and ex-Rep. Tom Downey (D-N.Y.) said there were nearly two months of talks with the maverick lawmaker following an approach by John Weaver, McCain’s chief political strategist.

Democrats had contacted Jeffords and then-Sen. Lincoln Chafee (R-R.I.) in the early months of 2001 about switching parties, but in McCain’s case, they said, it was McCain’s top strategist who came to them.

At the end of their March 31, 2001 lunch at a Chinese restaurant in Bethesda, Md., Downey said Weaver asked why Democrats hadn’t asked McCain to switch parties.

Downey, a well-connected lobbyist, said he was stunned.

“You’re really wondering?” Downey said he told Weaver. “What do you mean you’re wondering?”

“Well, if the right people asked him,” Weaver said, according to Downey, adding that he responded, “The calls will be made. Who do you want?” Weaver this week said he did have lunch with Downey that spring, pointing out that he and Downey “are very good friends.”

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I cannot for the live of me understand why this enemy of the GOP is actually leading the delegate race for the GOP nomination. I will be on the Convention floor in Minneapolis this summer demanding how our party could have sold us out to the dark side.
1 posted on 01/31/2008 7:52:49 PM PST by Hoodat
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To: Hoodat
NEARLY????

I guess he stayed because he realized he could do more damage from the inside.
2 posted on 01/31/2008 7:54:05 PM PST by elizabetty (John McCain Hates Michael Reagan...........John McCain Hates Me, too. The feeling is mutual.)
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To: Hoodat

No surprise


3 posted on 01/31/2008 7:54:13 PM PST by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: Hoodat

And where was Romney during the Reagan years? Or during the Republican Revolution?

What has Romney done for us?


4 posted on 01/31/2008 7:54:43 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: Hoodat

Are Tom Daschle and Thomas Downey giants of credibility?


5 posted on 01/31/2008 7:55:16 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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To: Hoodat

He would have lost his whole game by switching parties .


6 posted on 01/31/2008 7:56:21 PM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know)
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To: Mr. Brightside
Romney? He was actually out in the business world saving companies along with their jobs. Perhaps you should take the time to read up on his past. There are hundreds of business that are alive today because of the hard work of Mitt Romney.

btw, how many people do you provide a paycheck for?

7 posted on 01/31/2008 7:57:07 PM PST by Hoodat (The whole point of the Conservative Movement is to gain converts, not demonize them.)
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To: Mr. Brightside
What has Romney done for us?

And when, exactly, did Romeny torpedo us?

8 posted on 01/31/2008 7:57:16 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Mr. Brightside
"What has Romney done for us?"

Absolutely nothing !

9 posted on 01/31/2008 7:57:27 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: Clintonfatigued
Judging him based upon his sponsored legislation, I find this somewhat plausible.
10 posted on 01/31/2008 7:57:42 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: Mr. Brightside
What does this have to do with John McCain and his hatred of Conservatives?

If Mitt Romney were never born John McCain would still have spent the last eight years PUNISHING the GOP for rejecting him in 2000.
11 posted on 01/31/2008 7:57:58 PM PST by elizabetty (John McCain Hates Michael Reagan...........John McCain Hates Me, too. The feeling is mutual.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Which is STILL better than what McCain has done for us.
12 posted on 01/31/2008 7:58:28 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: okie01

Do you not hear of his murdering the MA GOP ?


13 posted on 01/31/2008 7:58:43 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: Hoosier-Daddy
Judging him based upon his sponsored legislation, I find this somewhat plausible.

John McCain has his name on more legislation with DEMOCRATS than do the two DEMOCRATS senators currently running for President.
14 posted on 01/31/2008 7:59:21 PM PST by elizabetty (John McCain Hates Michael Reagan...........John McCain Hates Me, too. The feeling is mutual.)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

Romney is the worst of the bunch, hands down.


15 posted on 01/31/2008 7:59:55 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: okie01
And when, exactly, did Romeny torpedo us?

No point in engaging the haters. They just hate, they are incapable of rational thought.
16 posted on 01/31/2008 8:00:32 PM PST by elizabetty (John McCain Hates Michael Reagan...........John McCain Hates Me, too. The feeling is mutual.)
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To: Mr. Brightside
And where was Romney during the Reagan years? Or during the Republican Revolution?

You're far off from the topic of this thread, but if you must ask, I'll give you an answer that will bring you back in line: During the Reagan years or any other year, Romney made no deals to switch from the Republicans to your guy's democrat party. This thread is about how McCain was in serious negotiations to make such a deal.

17 posted on 01/31/2008 8:00:35 PM PST by Vision Thing
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To: Hoodat

I didn’t start with all of the financial advantages of Mitt Romney, but I did employ about a dozen people this past year.

I have to make payroll every other week. How about you?


18 posted on 01/31/2008 8:01:31 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Do you not hear of his murdering the MA GOP ?

If that's all you can hear, then I guess you cannot see mccain's murdering of the national GOP.

19 posted on 01/31/2008 8:02:33 PM PST by Vision Thing
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I’ve worked for McCain. I disagree.


20 posted on 01/31/2008 8:04:00 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: Vision Thing

I’m not supporting McCain. But folks running around here thinking Romney is the Second Coming is mass insanity.


21 posted on 01/31/2008 8:04:44 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: Hoodat
I cannot for the live of me understand why this enemy of the GOP is actually leading the delegate race for the GOP nomination.

Let me try to explain what happened here.

Way too many perverts and degenerates fell in love with Rudy Giuliani and either openly supported him (e.g., Ted Olsen, Steve Forbes) or climbed into the closet with him (e.g., Rush Limbaugh, Club for Growth, Sean Hannity and the others at Fox News). Their love affair with Rudy made it impossible for them to openly support the only two conservative candidates in the race - Thompson and Hunter. Without support, those two conservative candidates were beaten by guys like Romney and McCain.

Predictably, the public rejected Rudy and now all of the Rudy lovers are heartbroken and wondering how they got stuck with McCain and Romney.

22 posted on 01/31/2008 8:06:32 PM PST by tear gas (Because of the 22nd Amendment, we are losing President. Bush. Can we afford to lose him now?)
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To: Mr. Brightside
I have to make payroll every other week. How about you?

I did that for 15 years. I finally gave it up because my taxes were killing me. I enrolled in college, earned a degree, and now I work for someone else. But yeah, I know the responsibility of being an employer. And I also know that McCain doesn't.

23 posted on 01/31/2008 8:08:26 PM PST by Hoodat (The whole point of the Conservative Movement is to gain converts, not demonize them.)
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To: elizabetty

Thought I heard my name mentioned.

Perhaps McCain will now wait....should he be elected President....to change parties.


24 posted on 01/31/2008 8:09:06 PM PST by Rational Thought
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To: fieldmarshaldj
I’m not supporting McCain. But folks running around here thinking Romney is the Second Coming is mass insanity.

I don't think people are saying Romney is anywhere near perfect, yet if McCain is to be stopped from becoming the nominee he is the only option, and now is the time to be pragmatic.

25 posted on 01/31/2008 8:09:51 PM PST by LWalk18
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To: Hoodat
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) was close to leaving the Republican Party in 2001

This cant be true, he is the conservative candidate that is going to unite the party! /s

26 posted on 01/31/2008 8:11:10 PM PST by chaos_5 (The Republic is doomed!)
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To: Hoodat

The liberals must be loving this election. They can’t lose.


27 posted on 01/31/2008 8:12:30 PM PST by Rocky
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To: Rational Thought

Nah! It’s McCain/Clinton ‘08. He already knows he’s on his way out.


28 posted on 01/31/2008 8:13:34 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: Hoodat

That’s OK he can stay. I have already abandoned the Rhino party for independent over the amnesty stuff.

Till the republicans get rid of the arrogant bureaucratic vision less RHINO’s the party is going nowhere, might as well sit it out


29 posted on 01/31/2008 8:13:58 PM PST by underbyte
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To: elizabetty

Yep. I wonder if it is just from spite, or Communist brainwashing while a POW, or if there is a money trail ?

Cost-cutting is the ONLY economic conservative position McCain offers, and it is a LIE. All McCain’s talk about being a cost-Hawk is BS when you consider that amnesty for illegal aliens will essentially open up all the socialist ‘safety net’ programs for them. Huge expansion of Foodstamps, Welfare, Medicaid, Housing Assistance, etc. will AUTOMATICALLY happen if amnesty passes. Not to mention that low-income workers take much more out of SS/M than they ever contribute. So a McCain presidency also means huge tax increases necessary on the SS/M side.

With McCain in the Whitehouse, not enough Republicans will fight amnesty. With a Dem in the Whitehouse, especially Hillary, amnesty CAN be defeated.

We are NINE TRILLION DOLLARS in debt ! We cannot afford to import the world’s poor and provide them with welfare. The ONLY reason they haven’t crushed our economy so far is that they are NOT eligible for most of the welfare programs out there. Amnesty would make them ELIGIBLE !


30 posted on 01/31/2008 8:16:50 PM PST by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They simply worship government.)
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To: LWalk18

Look, I don’t want McCain as the nominee, but for heaven’s sake, Romney is a walking disaster area, a pathological liar, and 100% sleaze who routinely employs bribery. If he wasn’t independently wealthy, I’d consider him a paid agent of the Democrat party. He was one of our worst Governors in the past 25 years, and after he buried the MA GOP went running off looking to be promoted. He isn’t fit to be a dog catcher. I’ve known him 14 years and the thought of him as President and leading the GOP is absolutely terrifying. He WANTS to destroy it and the Conservative movement.


31 posted on 01/31/2008 8:17:03 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Great! We’ve got the choice of one sh*tbag or another. GWB, thanks alot.


32 posted on 01/31/2008 8:20:08 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

This all could’ve been avoided if Fred were the nominee. Look at what having two liberals as front-runners has done to us. We’re all at each others’ throats. Mission accomplished for the left. Exactly what I predicted.


33 posted on 01/31/2008 8:22:17 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: Mr. Brightside
Your question proceeds from the assumption that, if one points out McCain’s problems for the GOP, somehow one is pro-Romney. I want neither, nor Huckabee. None of them are conservative. I have not even had a chance to vote in a primary yet and already my choices have been preempted by so-called independents, Democrat crossover voters and RINOs.

The problems with Romney ,who governed liberal and now talks conservative, are real. But McCain's open and constant betrayal since 2000 are even worse. He hates the conservative base and has made that clear since he lost the nomination in 2000. That is a significant difference.

34 posted on 01/31/2008 8:23:03 PM PST by verklaring (Pyrite is not gold)
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To: LWalk18

I wholeheartedly agree. We have two choices now. Romney or McCain. Huckabee will NOT be the nominee. Romney, I believe, has changed his positions in the last few years after leaving the lala land of Mass. I think if I lived there, I would be a little warped too. McCain, I believe, has NOT changed. He is mean, vindictive, and has co-sponsored some of the most damaging bills to ever be enacted. McCain/Feingold is a disaster and has drastically limited our free speech rights. Bush was crazy for signing that bill. Then the McCain/Kennedy amnesty bill. Isn’t that enough to work with. We have only one choice. I wish we had another Ronald Reagan but we don’t.


35 posted on 01/31/2008 8:25:46 PM PST by rtbwood
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This is sad. But we’re supposed to support McCain out of fear for the Democrats...but he IS a DEMOCRAT!


36 posted on 01/31/2008 8:28:33 PM PST by Def Conservative (If McCain switched parties the IQ would go up on both sides.)
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To: Hoodat

A mole can do a lot more damage behind the scenes than a foot soldier can by himself across the line...


37 posted on 01/31/2008 8:28:58 PM PST by TheBattman (LORD God, please give us a Christian Patriot with a backbone for President in 08, Amen.)
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To: Mr. Brightside

Romney he was creating jobs in the private sector something McCain’s disasterous immigration and cap and trade policy’s will destroy

McCain has never created a job and he’s never worked for anyone other than the federal government

he’s damned lucky he didn’t go to prison for his involvement in the Keating 5 and he was an habitual adulterer

and he has a very nasty habit of using foul language toward his own fellow republican senators that disagree with him v on policy

there’s your principled conservative Reagan republican


38 posted on 01/31/2008 8:31:27 PM PST by Lib-Lickers 2 (Thompson/ 08)
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To: Hoodat

Drudge is throwing the kitchen sink at McCain.

First the Gook article from 2000 and now this from a year ago (first reported in the Wash. Post in 2001).


39 posted on 01/31/2008 8:32:34 PM PST by RegT
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To: Def Conservative

After all that McCain has done against Republicans over the last decade, if they allow him to gain the nomination for the presidency, it will be time for the party to cease to have any relevance.


40 posted on 01/31/2008 8:34:14 PM PST by gruna
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To: gruna

Exactly. The threat of Hillary can’t scare me into voting for ANOTHER liberal.


41 posted on 01/31/2008 8:35:50 PM PST by Def Conservative (If McCain switched parties the IQ would go up on both sides.)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy
I’ve worked for McCain. I disagree.

Can you give us more on that?

42 posted on 01/31/2008 8:36:07 PM PST by fullchroma (Arizona native. Romney (now that Thompson's out) supporter.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I don’t intend to vote for McCain, but I agree with you - this story sounds like the Dems just stirring the pot a bit. They know we’re unhappy with him, so they’re adding to it. JMHO.


43 posted on 01/31/2008 8:38:31 PM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Kellis91789

Amen. All of it.


44 posted on 01/31/2008 8:40:14 PM PST by fullchroma (Arizona native. Romney (now that Thompson's out) supporter.)
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To: Tired of Taxes
I don’t intend to vote for McCain, but I agree with you - this story sounds like the Dems just stirring the pot a bit. They know we’re unhappy with him, so they’re adding to it. JMHO.

I don't know why the Democrats would be trying to undermine McCain at this stage of the game. It makes no sense. Not to say they wouldn't do it anyway...

45 posted on 01/31/2008 8:43:51 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: tear gas

now all of the Rudy lovers are heartbroken and wondering how they got stuck with McCain and Romney.


I’m not heartbroken. I’m hopeful McCain asks Rudy onto the ticket, which sets him up nicely for 2012 as the incumbent VP when McCain steps down after one term.


46 posted on 01/31/2008 8:44:51 PM PST by Senator Goldwater
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To: Tired of Taxes
this story sounds like the Dems just stirring the pot a bit. They know we’re unhappy with him, so they’re adding to it.

Take a look at the date. The story is nearly a year old.

If they were really that prescient, they would know how bad their policies would turn out...

...Whoa! Maybe they are that prescient, and really are hell bent on the destruction of our nation.

47 posted on 01/31/2008 8:45:41 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (If God wanted murderers & rapists hanging from trees, He wouldn't have created so many stones!)
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To: Hoodat

Since he was so good at what he did then, he should have stated in the business world. Probably did a lot more good than he can in politics.


48 posted on 01/31/2008 8:45:54 PM PST by lolhelp
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To: Hoodat

I knew about McCain’s near defection and I was thinking about it when I read Thomas Sowell’s remark that Benedict Arnold was a war hero, too. It is really a good metaphor.


49 posted on 01/31/2008 8:45:59 PM PST by Eva
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To: RegT
This nothing compared to what his buddies fellows in the dem/socialist media have planned once they have suckered the repub party into making him the nominee.
Mccain sleazy/sneaky past will make the Rudy trashing seem tame.
50 posted on 01/31/2008 8:49:19 PM PST by ncalburt
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