Posted on 02/02/2008 8:52:25 PM PST by Fargo Rock
Something has been bothering me all week and I'm hoping someone here can make me understand. Since 2001, we've been calling the Democrats a party of surrender, anti-war, anti-troops, etc. McCain has his faults. There's no question about it. But why are people like Ann Coulter, Tammy Bruce, Michelle Malkin and many here ready to hand over control of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the future of the War on Terror, and the care of our troops to Hillary Clinton? That's what will happen if people decide to either stay home or vote for Hillary in some kind of misguided moral protest. Don't our troops deserve better than that? It's throwing them to the wolves.
You're not listening, are you?
Not likely but hey, anything to scare people into voting how you want, right?
Sorry, a lot of things scare me more than Hillary.
That’s difficult to even fathom!
Liberal activist judges, pardon-gate, FBI-gate, mandatory gubmint healthcare, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, and Clinton was a disaster when he was in the oval office I can only IMAGINE his loose with no job!
To think some want that AGAIN? HOW on earth?
Yes. You are limiting yourself to things with a pulse.
“Sorry, a lot of things scare me more than Hillary.”
Like the dark?
I prefer conservatives. By voting for a RINO, I might extend this problem into eternity.
I know I’m going to vote 100% republican in November. The only question in my mind is whether the top of the ticket will be a RINO or a republican write-in. 100% republican, so the republicans should be happy.
I won’t vote for a democrat or McCain. If Hillary gets in, which I doubt, so be it. We all know what we will get with Hillary. We don’t know what we’ll get with McCain except a broken GOP for years to come.
An exerpt:
Senator John McCain’s lifetime rating of 82.3% from the American Conservative Union is often cited as proof that he is conservative. Here is a closer look at that 82.3 rating.
First, a rating of 82.3 is not really that high. It puts Senator McCain in 39th place among senators serving in 2006, the latest year for which the ACU has its ratings posted online. For that most recent year in particular, McCain scored only 65, putting him in 47th place for that year. Ben Nelson (D-NE) and Chuck Hagel (R-NE), for example, scored 64 and 75, respectively, in 2006.
Generally, McCain has voted less conservatively in more recent years. His average for 1990-97 was 88, but was only 74 for 1998-2006.
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So where did McCain differ from the ACU? The big areas were taxes, campaign finance reform, the environment and, most recently, immigration. There was also a smattering of support for trial lawyers; federal intervention in health, education, safety or voting issues; internationalism; and some social issues. He was more consistently conservative on spending and defense issues.
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Yeah, yeah, I know, just like virtually everyone here said about Bush in 2000. Then Bush picked Cheney. Bush, who all in all is probably no better than McCain. Both centrist suck-ups who'd sell the party out for votes, except for a few core issues, which I think McCain might even have Bush beat on, since McCain might actually veto something.
Welcome to FR. I really like your screen name!
These are the SAME polls who had Rudy winning it all. Polls are BS. Basically you are down to 3 senators who have spent their life working in government and a former governor who actually successfully ran several businesses. There is an obvious ecomomic choice and it’s staring right at you. Do you really think any of the 3 Senators will change anything? Keep drinking the koolaid if ya do.
And that is out and out bullsh!t. You do NOT advance conservatism by becoming more liberal. It never works. Rest assured, the GOP will never recover from this annoitment of McCain. Never.
Conservatives didn't choose McCain. He was chosen by the MSM, the RNC, the GOP good old boys, and the RINOs who support them. And yes, damn it, there's a great many freepers who are enablers to this pathetic line of reasoning.
So all of you out there, that fall into the categories above, go ahead, hold your nose and vote for McCain. I will proudly write in a candidate. But I will never, EVER, vote for McCain (or Huckabee).
If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.
And I'm tired of falling for the same old sob story. Hillary or McCain in the White House won't be the fault of those of us who held onto principle over pomp, substance over style... It will be YOUR fault.
So, then you’re a single-issue voter?
WOT is not my biggest concern. # of deaths is. With WOT, we have maybe 10k dead Americans in the last 35 years. With abortion, it’s 500 times that.
The republican party knows that it can tilt the process in favor of conservatives, but chooses to tilt the process in favor of RINOs, log cabin republicans, social liberals, and Rockefeller Republicans. The WOT is just one of many issues that the republican party is using to tilt the process.
If WOT was your biggest concern you would have been supporting the best candidate for that all along, Duncan Hunter. And so would lots of others. But it isn’t their biggest concern.
Where is the link, to a few dozen of these threads.
AZ Town Hall with John McCain
Don't ask McCain
The second one he almost has a woman thrown out of the meeting .
This is not the kind of man I want dealing with foreign dignitaries or negotiating anything with anybody. Before I read all the negatives about him here, my only thought when he first came to the forefront was that he was too old and wouldn't have a chance against Hillary or Obama. Then I read more here and elsewhere. And saw how he smirked and behaved at the CNN debate. That did it.
No way Jose.
If Romney doesn't win the primaries, I will either write him in, sit home, or use the Ann Colter nuclear option and vote for Hillary , never imagined in a hundred million years I would do such a thing. My vote won't count in my state anyway.
I'd like to know how many anti-McCainites live in hardcore blue states where an R vote won't count but in the popular vote. We should really band together and try to vote some kind of grass roots protest and work for R seats in congress. There are many other conservative blogs on the web where people are saying the same things pro and con, mostly con, re McCain.
Most wouldn't go so far as voting for Hillary, and I think many will cave in and come around for McCain. I won't.
I give him credit for what he endured in Hanoi, but that was then, and this is now.
I don’t care how pro-war you are, do you really want us to have troops in Iraq 100 years from now as McCain suggested? Just how much blood and money are we going to spend on a country that will probably end up being another Islamic state?
We didn’t swallow the amnesty pill, and we shouldn’t swallow the McCain pill either.
Conservatives staying home is like a kid covering his eyes in hide and seek. We need to go out and vote for Hillary or Obama .Let the country blame the Dems for what will ensue. The Dems are smart enough to let the military conduct the war and they lost on health care once before;congressional Republicans will fight a Dem President but not a Republican one. In four years, Mitt will be tempered by the fire of Conservatism and shoe in as the 2012 nominee. Result: no Dem will get the Presidency for many years...time enough for Conservatives to retrench their power. Worse case scenario is we lose a justice...Roe-Wade doesn’t get overturned so we work on a state by state program. We seem to be at our best when we are in the minority, guerilla-fighting the Dems. McCain is certifiable, an opportunist, a snake and in the end the GREATER of two evils.(excuse my circumlocution)
Since I'm not clairvoyant, and don't know that there will automatically be a conservative backlash to Hillary large enough and capable of overcoming the massive damage she'd surely do to our nation, I'm not willing to take such a risk.
I'm also a hardcore conservative, but I realize that ALL choices in life are imperfect trade-offs. Some people believe the lesser evil is Hillary Clinton. I sure as hell don't.
I have no intention on sitting out the election. I will show up and proudly vote to reelect Saxby Chambliss for senate. However, I can assure you that if John McCain is the Republican nominee, I will not for him.
I will consider it a case where I did not abandon the republican party, but rather the republican party abandoned me.
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