Skip to comments.Army runs out of machine guns
Posted on 02/06/2008 2:55:04 PM PST by Leisler
THE Army has run out of machine guns, The Sun can reveal.
The crisis is unlikely to be solved before JUNE, a leaked report reveals.
British troops desperately need 400 of the jumbo 0.5in calibre heavy machine guns the weapon most acutely missed.
The Army has also run out of the 7.62mm GPMG and Minimis.
Supply has collapsed partly because of a dispute with the manufacturers, Manroy which also provides weapons to Saudi Arabia.
The leaked report prepared for the Armys command centre in Wilton, Wilts reveals that generals have urged the Ministry of Defence to prevent Manroy delivering Saudi weapons ahead of our requirement.
Generals asked the US to help but were snubbed by the Pentagon who have dubbed British colleagues The Borrowers.
The report says: We are trying to get 400 guns transferred from the US. However, the material was provided by US DoD and they are not prepared to release them. MoD-level engagement is needed to try and get these released.
The crisis is having a crippling effect on training in the UK with all available spares being rushed to war zones.
Almost HALF the Minimi Light Machine Guns used at Catterick and Brecon are also out of commission.
The report adds: The original spares package was inadequate and usage has been far above that expected. As a result stocks are very fragile.
Tory MP and ex-Army officer Patrick Mercer said last night: Thank God the Army have still got their bayonets it looks like they may be all theyll have left. This could have been dealt with months ago.
Yet again, our fighting men are being imperilled by MoD incompetence.
Last night an MoD spokeswoman insisted: We have enough guns for operations.
We recognised a need to increase overall supply and took steps to address this.
Israel has some Uzi’s they can sell...
Yep, don’t cha know it, I don’t have near enough guns that start with a .5 .
The Huckster doesn’t like Bush’s “arrogant bunker mentality”. As for cray Mc Pain in the arse, his stance is anyones guess on any given day.
Sounds like they could use some M-2s.
What? The Brits think it’s Lend Lease time again?
I’m sure FN would make ya some Minimis. Write the check, mate.
Paying too much Social money to multi wife Muslims? Cut your social programs and buy more defense.
Seem to remember that the number of British troops have been decreasing in Iraq.....but yet they are out of guns.....are they giving them away?
Must take a special kind of person to have a well-paying job and lie like that. Note to self: never date a woman who's a "spokesperson"; she can lie without raising a single pulse beat.
Tell their soldiers to start capturing enemy weapons and use those.
Are they still manufactured or are they using existing stocks?
Wonder where that attitude comes from? Has the US recently provided a lot of material on loan to the UK?
Despite the intense annoyance that comes from rubbing each other the wrong way from time to time, it is a little bit disappointing to read that DoD is not being very helpful to our ally. However, as intensely as we are using these same weapons at present, maybe there is just not enough of them to go around.
It's not too much to ask for the Brits to supply their own weapons.
Same thing happened leading up to WWII. Years of restrictive gun laws had deprived the populace of any serious firepower. Hitler was threatening to invade, and no one had guns to resist him. So they put in a call to Uncle Sugar: “Send us lots of guns, please (for free, of course!)”
Immediately after the war, they rounded them all up and melted them down, picking up with their restrictive gun laws, right where they left off. Now, guess what? They’ve got no guns again! So, please surrender your next five paychecks to the gubmint so we can send our British friends some guns — no charge, of course.
Perhaps we need a new “PLEASE SEND A GUN TO DEFEND A BRITISH HOME” program.
Sorry, but I can’t loan them any of mine.
And it's not like England has ever been attacked before nor will it ever be. WWII? Never happened. Winston Churchill? It's more obvious every year that he was nothing more than a myth while Chamberlain was the greatest statesman the world has ever known.
Besides, if there ever would be trouble, the muslims will come to Britain's rescue and make everything all better again.
Hillary, Obama and Johnny will be along in a few months to relieve you of your weapons, your “extra” money and your freedom of speech. I feel safer already!
Hmmm...ran out of breath typing and reading that one.
That Minimi they want is our M249 SAW, still made by FN.
“Hillary, Obama and Johnny will be along in a few months to relieve you of your weapons...
They have to find them first.
Oh...it wasn't free. Britain had to give America a great deal. Just not in cash.
I hope that this will serve to remind us all as to how far a great power can fall in such a short period of time.
So is a Ma Deuce called a Mum Deuce in Britain?
The UK and the rest of Europe has been getting by the cheap on national defense because we have been there to take up the slack. All there monies have gone to social programs and there simply are none left for national defense. It’s exactly where we are headed in 2009. Hold on to your girdles.
I’m not sure if anyone is making new M2s, but I bet there are 10 of thousands in cosmoline somewhere.
I heard that somewhere also, but I am not sure. No doubt more could be made if needed.
I'd be happy to store a couple of M2s for 'em. Heck, I'd even clean 'em and make sure they were operable every so often. They need 'em, I just pop 'em down to Fedex. Signature required, of course.
We’re doin it with aircraft, seems they ran out of Nimrods....
Doesn't Britain have a history of arming enemies before equiping their own troops?
I know; S.A. is our friend. How do I know? GWBush tells me so.
No, the British are not allowed to have firearms for self defense.
Which is why when needed, they will whine that no one loves them.
Add cops to your “never date” list. They are reported to be impervious to lie detector tests.
Depends on which ally you mean.
The one surreptiously building training camps for Taliban fighters in Afghanistan; or, the one raiding & invading our southern border?
give 'sell' all of our 'spares' to Vicente, to give to the drug cartels, to better shoot our Border Patrolmen
Original Message -——
From: Michael M. Dunn
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:22 AM
Subject: Note from AFA President — A/C Restrictions and CSAF White Paper
January 16, 2008
AFA members and Congressional Staffers, many of you have commented favorably on the “elevator speech numbers” I sent you.
It’s January ... so here are some revealing data on the “State of the Air Force.”
Fighter Aircraft - average age: 20 years; average flight hours 5400+
Bomber Aircraft - average age: 32 years; average flight hours 11,400+
Tanker aircraft - average age: 44 years; average flight hours 18,900+
C2 Fleet - average age: 22 years old; average flight hours 32,000
ISR Fleet (excluding UAV) - average age: 30 years old; average flight hours 18,000
F-15A-D - 163 of 441 are grounded for structural issues
B-52 - 6 are grounded - past due PDM grounding date - authorized a one-time flight to the bone-yard.
EC-130 - 2 of 14 are grounded due to center wing box cracks
C-130E - 3 are grounded and 13 are restricted due to Service life and wing cracks
KC-135Es - 26 of 86 are grounded due to engine strut corrosion.
AC-130U - 4 of 17 are restricted due to lack of 30MM weapons
B-2 - entire fleet is restricted due to windshield bolt hole cracks
C-5s - 39 of 108 are restricted due to crown skin restrictions (weight limiting)
219 of 223 F-15Es have training restrictions due to vertical stab structural issues
Majority of Block 25/30/32, block 40/42, and block 50/52 F-16s need structural modifications
All 356 A-10s will need new wings and new aircraft skin - many have landing gear issues ... and all need new engines.
C-130Hs have Center Wing Box issues
C-32As have bulkhead structural issues.
Looking across the FYDP - between 2008-2013 - the Air Force will divest itself of 749 aircraft and procure only 698 aircraft (260 of which are UAVs).
To give you the idea of the scale of all of this:
When the AF grounded its 600+ F-15 fleet, it grounded more aircraft than the entire F/A Navy. The F-15s it presently has grounded equate to a bit more than 3 aircraft carriers of aircraft.
The 356 A-10s that need renovations equates to more aircraft than the fixed wing USMC
The Air Force has about 5800 aircraft ... and presently about one-third are either grounded or restricted in one way or another
The central important part of this data is that this is not a third-world Air Force ... And the question we should ask ourselves, why don’t we fund it to ensure our children and grandchildren are safe and secure?
2nd Subject -
Chief of Staff White Paper - Gen Moseley published an exceptional White Paper ... which lays out the strategic foundations for the Air Force of the future. If you haven’t seen it, you can find it on the AFA website: http://dailyreport.afa.org/NR/rdonlyres/868196FC-AABB-4230-84EA-F5358B0C4B34/0/CSAF_white_paper.pdf
My favorite quotes in it are:
“No modern war has been won without air superiority. No future war will be won without air, space and cyberspace superiority.” Page 2.
“With the oldest inventory in history, battered by 17 years of continuous combat, the Air Force’s ability to fulfill its missions is already being tested.” Page 2
“... our reliance on assured access to space will increase exponentially.” Page 8
“The Air Force is smaller in December 2007 than it was in December 1941.” Page 10
For your consideration.
Michael M. Dunn, Lt Gen (Ret)
Screw Great Britain. Eventually, New York City will be renamed as New London.
All they need is 400 guns? Heck, for some American citizens that’s a small collection. lol