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Army runs out of machine guns
The Sun (UK) ^ | February 6, 2008 | TOM NEWTON DUNN

Posted on 02/06/2008 2:55:04 PM PST by Leisler

THE Army has run out of machine guns, The Sun can reveal.

The crisis is unlikely to be solved before JUNE, a leaked report reveals.

British troops “desperately” need 400 of the jumbo 0.5in calibre heavy machine guns – the weapon most acutely missed.

The Army has also run out of the 7.62mm GPMG and Minimis.

Supply has collapsed partly because of a dispute with the manufacturers, Manroy – which also provides weapons to Saudi Arabia.

The leaked report – prepared for the Army’s command centre in Wilton, Wilts – reveals that generals have urged the Ministry of Defence “to prevent Manroy delivering Saudi weapons ahead of our requirement”.

Generals asked the US to help but were snubbed by the Pentagon – who have dubbed British colleagues “The Borrowers”.

The report says: “We are trying to get 400 guns transferred from the US. However, the material was provided by US DoD and they are not prepared to release them. MoD-level engagement is needed to try and get these released.”

The crisis is having a crippling effect on training in the UK – with all available spares being rushed to war zones.

Almost HALF the Minimi Light Machine Guns used at Catterick and Brecon are also out of commission.

The report adds: “The original spares package was inadequate and usage has been far above that expected. As a result stocks are very fragile.”

Tory MP and ex-Army officer Patrick Mercer said last night: “Thank God the Army have still got their bayonets – it looks like they may be all they’ll have left. This could have been dealt with months ago.

“Yet again, our fighting men are being imperilled by MoD incompetence.”

Last night an MoD spokeswoman insisted: “We have enough guns for operations.

“We recognised a need to increase overall supply and took steps to address this.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: afganistan; banglist; iraq; nato; supplylines; uktroops; wot
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To: Leisler
The Army ran out of Minimi Guns?


21 posted on 02/06/2008 3:24:53 PM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Leisler

Sorry, but I can’t loan them any of mine.


22 posted on 02/06/2008 3:26:59 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: Leisler
Why would British troops need guns of any kind? Good British citizens aren't allowed to have guns and now there is no crime, no murders, robberies or anything to worry about.

And it's not like England has ever been attacked before nor will it ever be. WWII? Never happened. Winston Churchill? It's more obvious every year that he was nothing more than a myth while Chamberlain was the greatest statesman the world has ever known.

Besides, if there ever would be trouble, the muslims will come to Britain's rescue and make everything all better again.

23 posted on 02/06/2008 3:36:39 PM PST by GBA ( God Bless America!)
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To: Kirkwood

Hillary, Obama and Johnny will be along in a few months to relieve you of your weapons, your “extra” money and your freedom of speech. I feel safer already!


24 posted on 02/06/2008 3:39:04 PM PST by GBA ( God Bless America!)
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To: mamelukesabre
Not quite as bad as the Stalingrad method of giving ye defenders a few rounds and sending them on attack knowing the guns of dead comrades lie ahead and a machine gun is at your back.

Hmmm...ran out of breath typing and reading that one.

25 posted on 02/06/2008 3:39:33 PM PST by mcshot (Missing my grade school desk which protected from nuclear blasts.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Are they still manufactured or are they using existing stocks?

That Minimi they want is our M249 SAW, still made by FN.

26 posted on 02/06/2008 3:40:57 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: GBA

“Hillary, Obama and Johnny will be along in a few months to relieve you of your weapons...

They have to find them first.


27 posted on 02/06/2008 3:44:48 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: Kirkwood

Same here.


28 posted on 02/06/2008 3:49:26 PM PST by GBA ( God Bless America!)
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To: LibWhacker
So they put in a call to Uncle Sugar: “Send us lots of guns, please (for free, of course!)”

Oh...it wasn't free. Britain had to give America a great deal. Just not in cash.

29 posted on 02/06/2008 3:49:42 PM PST by Androcles (All your typos are belong to us)
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To: Leisler
I find it incredible that the U.K., the former home to the great Royal Ordnance system, is now down to begging just to borrow a few machine guns?

I hope that this will serve to remind us all as to how far a great power can fall in such a short period of time.

30 posted on 02/06/2008 3:50:54 PM PST by snowsislander
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To: TC Rider

So is a Ma Deuce called a Mum Deuce in Britain?


31 posted on 02/06/2008 3:53:47 PM PST by hawkboy (RINOS only deliver for the left!)
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To: Leisler
Hey Folks,
This is the "SUN" newspaper. Page two is normally true to life. Everything else in this rag you should take with a grain of salt.
A Big Grain of Salt.
Quote about "the borrowers", 99.99% chance it was made up.
These folks would make Dan Rather blush.
32 posted on 02/06/2008 4:01:39 PM PST by SWO
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To: Leisler
Nothing funny about it. This is exactly where we will be soon. Earlier in the week someone posted a list of all of our combat aircraft that need IMMEDIATE fixing or replacing. The next few years is going to be shockingly expensive just to keep what we have. I’m sure Obama and Hillary are all over that.

The UK and the rest of Europe has been getting by the cheap on national defense because we have been there to take up the slack. All there monies have gone to social programs and there simply are none left for national defense. It’s exactly where we are headed in 2009. Hold on to your girdles.

33 posted on 02/06/2008 4:01:59 PM PST by Dogbert41
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To: Anti-Bubba182

I’m not sure if anyone is making new M2s, but I bet there are 10 of thousands in cosmoline somewhere.


34 posted on 02/06/2008 4:02:46 PM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution ? 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: TC Rider

I heard that somewhere also, but I am not sure. No doubt more could be made if needed.


35 posted on 02/06/2008 4:05:11 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: TC Rider
I’m not sure if anyone is making new M2s, but I bet there are 10 of thousands in cosmoline somewhere.

I hope you're right, but I'm willing to guess that either Clinton had them melted into scrap, or some Pentagon officer ordered them destroyed. He then tried to get a job with whoever was attempting to design a replacement that decade.
36 posted on 02/06/2008 4:08:02 PM PST by Tailback
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To: TC Rider
General Dynamics Armament and Technical Products would love to sell you as many brand new Ma Duces as you like.
37 posted on 02/06/2008 4:14:14 PM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Leisler

I'd be happy to store a couple of M2s for 'em. Heck, I'd even clean 'em and make sure they were operable every so often. They need 'em, I just pop 'em down to Fedex. Signature required, of course.

38 posted on 02/06/2008 4:26:38 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: PeteB570

We’re doin it with aircraft, seems they ran out of Nimrods....


39 posted on 02/06/2008 4:28:54 PM PST by Uriah_lost (This space closed for a respectful mourning period...)
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To: Leisler
Photobucket 90 years old and still going strong.
40 posted on 02/06/2008 4:45:11 PM PST by yarddog (`)
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