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Catholic Vote Is Harbinger of Success for Clinton
NY Times ^ | Feb. 09, 2008 | By JIM DWYER

Posted on 02/09/2008 6:03:22 PM PST by jdm

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Hillary Rodham Clinton has run away with the votes of Roman Catholic Democrats in nearly all the primaries, often beating Barack Obama by two to one or better, exit polls show. In New York, she received 66 percent of the Catholic vote to his 30 percent.

“I didn’t go to bed until 1 in the morning waiting on the results,” said Joe Quinn, a Catholic who is a building superintendent on the Upper West Side. “I slept very well, let me tell you.”

Does it matter whom Catholics like Mr. Quinn voted for in the Democratic primaries? By November, it may not. Still, Catholics, who make up about a quarter of the registered voters in the country, have backed the winner of the national popular vote for at least the last nine presidential elections, going back to 1972.

The Catholic scorecard: five Republican and three Democratic presidents, and one popular-vote-winning but presidency-losing Democrat, Al Gore.

No other large group has switched sides so often, or been so consistently aligned with the winners. Over that same period, a majority of white Protestants typically voted Republican, while blacks of all faiths and Jews strongly backed Democrats.

“Catholics are the last swing voters left in the country,” said Brian O’Dwyer, a Manhattan lawyer and a Clinton supporter.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; cafeteriacatholics; catholics; catholicvote; cino; harbinger; hillary
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1 posted on 02/09/2008 6:03:25 PM PST by jdm
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How can you be a good Catholic and vote for those who openly support the practice of baby murder? mmmmmmmm?


2 posted on 02/09/2008 6:06:09 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: tflabo

Key word is GOOD


3 posted on 02/09/2008 6:08:22 PM PST by mortal19440
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To: tflabo

No Traditional Catholic such as myself (i.e. Latin Mass; pre Vatican II) would even dream of voting for her (or Obama, Julie, etc.) Leaves you to wonder if maybe the Trad Catholics are the True Catholics. Pope Benedict has clear leanings in that direction as well.


4 posted on 02/09/2008 6:10:23 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurtureā„¢)
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To: mortal19440
Yup, these are largely self-identified Catholics who haven't been to Mass since they were 12. "Cultural Catholics" or "C&E" (not Church of England; Christmas and Easter)

If you look at actually practicing Catholics who attend Mass at least 4x a month, it's quite a different story.

5 posted on 02/09/2008 6:11:15 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: tflabo

At the Catholic school were my girls attended I would say at least 80% of the people I knew were liberal.


6 posted on 02/09/2008 6:11:40 PM PST by ShadowDancer ( Losers always look for excuses. Winners never quit.)
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To: jdm
Catholic Vote Is Harbinger of Success for Clinton

stick a fork in her, then.

7 posted on 02/09/2008 6:12:17 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (anyone can be a soldier in peacetime.)
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To: jdm

nytimes understands catholics the way the enquirer understands starlets.


8 posted on 02/09/2008 6:13:14 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (anyone can be a soldier in peacetime.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

It shows you, money comes first, sad to say. Just give me the government goodies.


9 posted on 02/09/2008 6:14:27 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: ShadowDancer

Kumbaya Catholic = Liberal

Those of us who hate the “Happy Catholic” era, are conservative.


10 posted on 02/09/2008 6:14:48 PM PST by netmilsmom (Giving up "Hairspray" and the cast for Lent. Prayers appreciated!)
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To: tflabo

I could never vote for her or Obama. Never. Nor can I vote for someone who wants to take tax money to fund embryonic stem cell research.


11 posted on 02/09/2008 6:17:08 PM PST by Bahbah
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To: cradle of freedom
I think at least with the older ethnic Catholics in the northeast, they just reflexively vote Democrat because that is the party of Fiorello LaGuardia, Al Smith, etc. etc.

They don't realize that the Dems are no longer the party of the hardworking bluecollar Catholics. Nobody has told them that the Dems are voting to kill little babies . . . and the news media is not about to clue them in.

Of course, a lot of priests got caught up in the madness after VCII, and they haven't helped illuminate the issues for their flocks . . . .

12 posted on 02/09/2008 6:17:19 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: jdm; ConservativeTrucker; SavannahJake; PaulZe; AKA Elena; Oshkalaboomboom; LikeLight; ...
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13 posted on 02/09/2008 6:18:51 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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How can you be a good Catholic and vote for those who openly support the practice of baby murder? mmmmmmmm?

You can't. The "Catholics" mentioned here are cherry-picker/grocery-cart "Catholics" who only observe their faith so long as it accommodates a life of sin.

14 posted on 02/09/2008 6:20:41 PM PST by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: jdm

Really... are Roman Catholics “generally” that stupid?..


15 posted on 02/09/2008 6:23:15 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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But I thought the Catholics were ‘conservative.’ You know the 10 commandments, pro-life, anti-homosexeal agenda... or is the pro? I am not sure....:)
16 posted on 02/09/2008 6:24:03 PM PST by ElPatriota (Duncan Hunter 08 -- I am proud to support this man for my president and may be Huck :))
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To: steve86

There are still those who think all democrats are like John Kennedy. I went into a house to make a phone because of car trouble a few years back. The man who let me use his phone had three pictures on the wall, Jesus, John Kennedy and the Pope.


17 posted on 02/09/2008 6:26:22 PM PST by ThomasThomas (Pro football is just a nanny state version of rugby!)
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To: jdm

Catholics pushing democrats make me sick. The new priest at my church pushed democrat talking points, aired Gore’s “documentary”, and even asked parishoners to sign letters to government on farming subsidies. Enough - I stopped going there. As a Catholic, I can understand the concepts of helping the poor and keeping God’s world beautiful, but stopping mass unwarranted murder trumps it all. How is he to go to our Maker and say well, I led my parish to fight hunger, the poor and to make Your world beautiful - so please overlook the fact that by doing so, I helped ensure that millions of babies were denied Your gift of life. Please!!!


18 posted on 02/09/2008 6:30:09 PM PST by Right in Wisconsin (Have a Happy Day)
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To: jdm

Maybe Hillary is getting the votes of Catholic Democrats because they are mostly Hispanic.


19 posted on 02/09/2008 6:34:54 PM PST by wideminded
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To: jdm
This basically sums up the whole "Catholic" approach to Democratic Party politics . . .

Click Here

Quote from former Boston mayor and former U.S. ambassador to the Vatican Ray Flynn:

“Sure, I’ll tell you who I voted for -- Hillary Clinton. I could give you plenty of reasons why, too, but the first one is the most important: Her husband gave me a job. And a pretty good one. Look, I happen to come from the old school, and that happens to be a place where loyalty means everything."

“Hell, I’d vote for you if you gave me a job."

Anyone who has ever wondered how someone like Adolph Hitler could become so popular just needs to understand the repulsive depravity of this pathology -- which I like to call "Irish Welfare."

20 posted on 02/09/2008 6:35:45 PM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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