Catholic Vote Is Harbinger of Success for Clinton

NY Times ^ | Feb. 09, 2008 | By JIM DWYER

[jdm]

~EXCERPT~

Hillary Rodham Clinton has run away with the votes of Roman Catholic Democrats in nearly all the primaries, often beating Barack Obama by two to one or better, exit polls show. In New York, she received 66 percent of the Catholic vote to his 30 percent.

“I didn’t go to bed until 1 in the morning waiting on the results,” said Joe Quinn, a Catholic who is a building superintendent on the Upper West Side. “I slept very well, let me tell you.”

Does it matter whom Catholics like Mr. Quinn voted for in the Democratic primaries? By November, it may not. Still, Catholics, who make up about a quarter of the registered voters in the country, have backed the winner of the national popular vote for at least the last nine presidential elections, going back to 1972.

The Catholic scorecard: five Republican and three Democratic presidents, and one popular-vote-winning but presidency-losing Democrat, Al Gore.

No other large group has switched sides so often, or been so consistently aligned with the winners. Over that same period, a majority of white Protestants typically voted Republican, while blacks of all faiths and Jews strongly backed Democrats.

“Catholics are the last swing voters left in the country,” said Brian O’Dwyer, a Manhattan lawyer and a Clinton supporter.

[tflabo]

How can you be a good Catholic and vote for those who openly support the practice of baby murder? mmmmmmmm?

[mortal19440]

Key word is GOOD

[steve86]

No Traditional Catholic such as myself (i.e. Latin Mass; pre Vatican II) would even dream of voting for her (or Obama, Julie, etc.) Leaves you to wonder if maybe the Trad Catholics are the True Catholics. Pope Benedict has clear leanings in that direction as well.

[AnAmericanMother]

Yup, these are largely self-identified Catholics who haven't been to Mass since they were 12. "Cultural Catholics" or "C&E" (not Church of England; Christmas and Easter)

If you look at actually practicing Catholics who attend Mass at least 4x a month, it's quite a different story.

[ShadowDancer]

At the Catholic school were my girls attended I would say at least 80% of the people I knew were liberal.

[the invisib1e hand]

Catholic Vote Is Harbinger of Success for Clinton

stick a fork in her, then.

[the invisib1e hand]

nytimes understands catholics the way the enquirer understands starlets.

[cradle of freedom]

It shows you, money comes first, sad to say. Just give me the government goodies.

[netmilsmom]

Kumbaya Catholic = Liberal

Those of us who hate the “Happy Catholic” era, are conservative.

[Bahbah]

I could never vote for her or Obama. Never. Nor can I vote for someone who wants to take tax money to fund embryonic stem cell research.

[AnAmericanMother]

I think at least with the older ethnic Catholics in the northeast, they just reflexively vote Democrat because that is the party of Fiorello LaGuardia, Al Smith, etc. etc.

They don't realize that the Dems are no longer the party of the hardworking bluecollar Catholics. Nobody has told them that the Dems are voting to kill little babies . . . and the news media is not about to clue them in.

Of course, a lot of priests got caught up in the madness after VCII, and they haven't helped illuminate the issues for their flocks . . . .

[narses]

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[Digital Sniper]

How can you be a good Catholic and vote for those who openly support the practice of baby murder? mmmmmmmm?

You can't. The "Catholics" mentioned here are cherry-picker/grocery-cart "Catholics" who only observe their faith so long as it accommodates a life of sin.

[hosepipe]

Really... are Roman Catholics “generally” that stupid?..

[ElPatriota]

But I thought the Catholics were ‘conservative.’ You know the 10 commandments, pro-life, anti-homosexeal agenda... or is the pro? I am not sure....:)

[ThomasThomas]

There are still those who think all democrats are like John Kennedy. I went into a house to make a phone because of car trouble a few years back. The man who let me use his phone had three pictures on the wall, Jesus, John Kennedy and the Pope.

[Right in Wisconsin]

Catholics pushing democrats make me sick. The new priest at my church pushed democrat talking points, aired Gore’s “documentary”, and even asked parishoners to sign letters to government on farming subsidies. Enough - I stopped going there. As a Catholic, I can understand the concepts of helping the poor and keeping God’s world beautiful, but stopping mass unwarranted murder trumps it all. How is he to go to our Maker and say well, I led my parish to fight hunger, the poor and to make Your world beautiful - so please overlook the fact that by doing so, I helped ensure that millions of babies were denied Your gift of life. Please!!!

[wideminded]

Maybe Hillary is getting the votes of Catholic Democrats because they are mostly Hispanic.

[Alberta's Child]

This basically sums up the whole "Catholic" approach to Democratic Party politics . . .

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Quote from former Boston mayor and former U.S. ambassador to the Vatican Ray Flynn:

“Sure, I’ll tell you who I voted for -- Hillary Clinton. I could give you plenty of reasons why, too, but the first one is the most important: Her husband gave me a job. And a pretty good one. Look, I happen to come from the old school, and that happens to be a place where loyalty means everything."

“Hell, I’d vote for you if you gave me a job."

Anyone who has ever wondered how someone like Adolph Hitler could become so popular just needs to understand the repulsive depravity of this pathology -- which I like to call "Irish Welfare."

[Cenobite]

If they are Catholic as they claim, then their immortal souls are in peril as are all clergy who vote Democrat.

[informavoracious]

Not this Catholic.

[steve8714]

Don’t put that on us; my oldest friend is at Mass every Sunday and takes Communion. He is an Obama supporter and has never voted for anyone without a D next to the name.
Not surprisingly, he’s a former member of the Newspaper Guild, and his father is retired Federal government.

[50mm]

You can't. The "Catholics" mentioned here are cherry-picker/grocery-cart "Catholics" who only observe their faith so long as it accommodates a life of sin.

Wikipedia on: Cafeteria Catholicism

[afraidfortherepublic]

How depressing!

[Alex Murphy]

Ping to read later

[Cicero]

These are misinformed Catholics who are still Democrats. The great majority of Catholics used to be Democrats, working class ethnics—Irish, Italian, Polish, and so on— but since Roe v. Wade they have been migrating to the other side, more and more every year. Some of them have just been slow doing it, poorly informed by their bishops and priests.

As far as abortion is concerned, however, Obama is just as bad as hillary, if not even worse. So if you’re going to vote Democrat at all, there’s little difference between them.

[50mm]

I am Catholic and don't claim to speak for other Catholics, but here is what I've observed:

The church I go to comfortably seats all parishoners at three different services each weekend. That is except at Christmas where services are added at the church as well as at the local High School for overflow. Our church population roughly triples and the very next week returns to normal. The tripling fits nicely with the 66% number who are voting for the beast. I don't have evidence and can't quote a statistical study, but I'm guessing there is a strong correlation between the extra Christmas attendees and voting for the beast.

[Tanniker Smith]

How can you be a good Catholic and vote for those who openly support the practice of baby murder? mmmmmmmm?

Just being the devil's advocate here:
How can you be a good Catholic and vote for those who openly support capital punishment and making war while not protecting God's green Earth or feeding the hungry, helping the poor and downtrodding and not caring for the suffering individuals who desperately claw their way into this country seeking nothing more than a better life?

Work in gun control and global warming as you will.

[Tanniker Smith]

Throw in Easter and Palm Sunday, and you’re describing the situation at my local parish as well. (Except for the Italian and Spanish masses, which usually have good crowds all the time). Ash Wednesday is another biggie. Don’t let the little kiddies from the religious education classes get in your way as you push your way to get the ashes that show how holy you really are.

[Salvation]

No REAL Catholic would ever vote for Hillary! Perhaps they (the CINOs) are note familiar with what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says about their actions when they support abortion:

1:

CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2271  (618 bytes )  preview document matches 1 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2271.htm

97%

2:

CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2272  (580 bytes )  preview document matches 2 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2272.htm

96%

3:

CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2322  (290 bytes )  preview document matches 2 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 § 3), URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2322.htm

96%

4:	CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2274  (554 bytes )  preview document matches gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2274.htm

[Salvation]

You are so right. They are bound for no good, that’s for sure.

[jwalsh07]

How can you be a good Catholic and vote for those who openly support the practice of baby murder?

They meant apostate Catholics.

[Salvation]

You must not have seen what the Pope said about Wiki. I’ll see if I can find the thread and link it.

[GinaLolaB]

The Catholic scorecard: five Republican and three Democratic presidents, and one popular-vote-winning but presidency-losing Democrat, Al Gore.

The article also says that the Catholics voted for 5 Republican presidents. I am not defending the liberal Catholics but there are also conservative ones like myself too.

[jwalsh07]

How can you be a good Catholic and vote for those who openly support capital punishment and making war while not protecting God's green Earth or feeding the hungry, helping the poor and downtrodding and not caring for the suffering individuals who desperately claw their way into this country seeking nothing more than a better life?

A good devil's advocate is conversant with the facts, you are not a good devil's advocate here.

Catholic dogma is that abortion is a grave evil and a mortal sin except in those cases where the baby is harmed in an effort to save the life of the Mom. Other than that there are no if's, and's or buts.

Capital punishment and making war are nor inherently evil though they can be. There is no dogmatic teaching from the Catholic Church for Catholics to oppose capital punishment or war. Guns and greens likewise.

[Salvation]

L’Osservatore Romano nails La Sapienza profs for Wikipedia misuse

[50mm]

Catholic doctrine doesn’t cover gun control or Global Hysteria. How to protect “God’s Green Earth” can be debated. Good Catholics donate money and goods to feed and comfort the needy. You don’t need government for that. The church is worldwide. Illegal aliens can receive that help in their own countries. Somebody else can chime in on the tougher ones - war and capital punishment.

[Salvation]

And you should see the list of stories that I have about how Catholics voted for Bush. Lots.

If McCain would change his stem cell ideas, it would probably happen for him too. The orthodox Catholics are the biggest block of voters in the U. S.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

You can’t. It’s a contradiction. These are the “in-name-only” crowd.

[50mm]

I’m most certainly aware that Wiki is full of errors. I was just saving myself from having to explain cafeterianism myself.

[murphE]

[airborne]

How can you be a good Catholic and vote for those who openly support the practice of baby murder?

I have Catholic relatives who live in Massachussetts. I'm sure they could give you an explanation.

They'd vote for Hitler if he was a registered Dem.

[50mm]

Not only did you beat me by 3 minutes, you also covered the war and capital punishment issues nicely.

[PalestrinaGal0317]

The same way that Chapaquiddick Ted is Catholic: IN NAME ONLY!

[stevem]

We all know how to pronounce RINO. How do you pronounce RCINO?

[ElPatriota]

...“Catholics are the last swing voters left in the country,” said Brian O’Dwyer, a Manhattan lawyer and a Clinton supporter...

And you would think that an organization whose main 'business' is guides our lives with some morality and who cares for the unborn if nothing else, would, as churches do, give the signal to their congregation to vote for Conservative causes.... and yet... SILENCE IS ALL YOU HEAR... What a contrast with the EVANGELICALS!

[murphE]

and yet... SILENCE IS ALL YOU HEAR...

Twas not always so, the silence is a new development in the last 40 or so years.

[flowerplough]

be a good Catholic and vote for those who openly support the practice of baby murder?

Can't be done.

Catholic Democrats are beyond my comprehension, and maybe beyond Mother Mary's compassion.