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B. Clinton Takes to the Churches
NY Times ^ | Feb. 10, 2008 | By Ashley Parker

Posted on 02/10/2008 7:03:18 PM PST by jdm

**EXCERPT**

SILVER SPRING, Md. — After losing two caucuses and a primary to Senator Barack Obama Saturday, Senator Hillary Clinton’s campaign seemed like it might need a prayer. Or two. And so Bill Clinton started off his day of Potomac Primary campaigning with a stop at the Temple of Praise, an African-American church in Washington, DC.

Then he attended services — again — at another church: The Greater Mt. Nebo African Methodist Episcopal Church in Bowie, Maryland.

Throughout his five stops Sunday — one in the district and four just outside the Beltway in Maryland — former president Clinton struck a measured, almost conciliatory, tone while campaigning for his wife, never mentioning her Democratic rival by name and referring to Mr. Obama only once, in a cursory aside at his final campaign stop.

“I have loved this election because I didn’t have to be against anyone,” Mr. Clinton said. “I like all the people. I even like the people who aren’t running anymore.” (Presumably even more, now that they’re no longer competing with his wife).

(Excerpt) Read more at thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: billary; blackchurch; churches; md2008; politicking; potomacprimary; slickwillie

1 posted on 02/10/2008 7:03:19 PM PST by jdm
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To: jdm

Do Republicans campaign in churches? When’s the last time?


2 posted on 02/10/2008 7:04:01 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: jdm

Tax exempt status?


3 posted on 02/10/2008 7:05:28 PM PST by Rosemont
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To: jdm

Bill needs to find a few black people to act as props, so he can convince the African-American population that they love the Clintons.


4 posted on 02/10/2008 7:06:18 PM PST by popdonnelly (Get Reid. Salazar, and Harkin out of the Senate.)
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To: jdm

Does the NY Times approve of politicking in churches, or are they maybe getting just a little antsy?


5 posted on 02/10/2008 7:06:20 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: jdm

Pinch loves Hillary enough to send her a Valentine.


6 posted on 02/10/2008 7:07:11 PM PST by popdonnelly (Get Reid. Salazar, and Harkin out of the Senate.)
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To: jdm

Bill Clinton will be appearing in those churches he claims he saw burned down


7 posted on 02/10/2008 7:09:04 PM PST by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: jdm

It’s gotta be a coinkidink that they were both black churches. He couldn’t possibly be pandering.


8 posted on 02/10/2008 7:09:44 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Retire Ron Paul! Support Chris Peden (www.chrispeden.org))
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To: jdm

When Bill Clinton takes to church, you know he has been up to no good.


9 posted on 02/10/2008 7:09:48 PM PST by AmericanMade1776
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To: 1rudeboy
Do Republicans campaign in churches?

I think Mike Huckabee has.

10 posted on 02/10/2008 7:11:38 PM PST by Tax-chick ("Good guy wins, bad guy gets dead. Nothing to cry over here." ~ metmom)
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To: popdonnelly
Here's a good negro prop tailor made for the Clintons: http://i17.ebayimg.com/05/s/06/3b/e7/c7_2.JPG
11 posted on 02/10/2008 7:12:25 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Get yer red meat, tobaccy and ammo, now. The krinton syndicate is moving back into the WH.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Oops...

http://i17.ebayimg.com/05/s/06/3b/e7/c7_2.JPG


12 posted on 02/10/2008 7:13:50 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Get yer red meat, tobaccy and ammo, now. The krinton syndicate is moving back into the WH.)
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To: jdm

Can’t this man stay home and out of the way???

This must be embarassing for her especially since it looks like she has NO control over him and his behaviour. Look what control she will have to have as a President and she can’t control BILL!


13 posted on 02/10/2008 7:15:28 PM PST by acoulterfan
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“I’m going to say this again: I did not have sexual relations with that woman.”

Musta been talking about Hillary. LIAR!


14 posted on 02/10/2008 7:16:52 PM PST by CTSeditor
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To: TommyDale
Bill Clinton will be appearing in those churches he claims he saw burned down

Now that you mention it, it doesn't seem like many black churches have burned down since Slick left office????? Hmmmmm.

15 posted on 02/10/2008 7:21:17 PM PST by ErieGeno
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To: acoulterfan

Clinton just goes to see the female singers. The man is a disgrace and should fade into the shadows of insignificance like most of ex-presidents have done( with the exception of the socialist carter)


16 posted on 02/10/2008 7:21:21 PM PST by shadeaud
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To: jdm

I wonder if he managed to stay awake this time.


17 posted on 02/10/2008 7:22:11 PM PST by mass55th
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To: jdm

MY DEAR WORMWOOD,

The amateurish suggestions in your last letter warn me that it is high time for me to write to you fully on the painful subject of prayer. You might have spared the comment that my advice about his prayers for his mother it “proved singularly unfortunate”. That is not the sort of thing that a nephew should write to his uncle—nor a junior tempter to the under-secretary of a department. It also reveals an unpleasant desire to shift responsibility; you must learn to pay for your own blunders.

The best thing, where it is possible, is to keep the patient from the serious intention of praying altogether. When the patient is an adult recently re-converted to the Enemy’s party, like your man, this is best done by encouraging him to remember, or to think he remembers, the parrot-like nature of his prayers in childhood. In reaction against that, he may be persuaded to aim at something entirely spontaneous, inward, informal, and unregularised; and what this will actually mean to a beginner will be an effort to produce in himself a vaguely devotional mood in which real concentration of will and intelligence have no part. One of their poets, Coleridge, has recorded that he did not pray “with moving lips and bended knees” but merely “composed his spirit to love” and indulged “a sense of supplication”. That is exactly the sort of prayer we want; and since it bears a superficial resemblance to the prayer of silence as practised by those who are very far advanced in the Enemy’s service, clever and lazy patients can be taken in by it for quite a long time. At the very least, they can be persuaded that the bodily position makes no difference to their prayers; for they constantly forget, what you must always remember, that they are animals and that whatever their bodies do affects their souls. It is funny how mortals always picture us as putting things into their minds: in reality our best work is done by keeping things out.

If this fails, you must fall back on a subtler misdirection of his intention. Whenever they are attending to the Enemy Himself we are defeated, but there are ways of preventing them from doing so. The simplest is to turn their gaze away from Him towards themselves. Keep them watching their own minds and trying to produce feelings there by the action of their own wills. When they meant to ask Him for charity, let them, instead, start trying to manufacture charitable feelings for themselves and not notice that this is what they are doing. When they meant to pray for courage, let them really be trying to feel brave. When they say they are praying for forgiveness, let them be trying to feel forgiven. Teach them to estimate the value of each prayer by their success in producing the desired feeling; and never let them suspect how much success or failure of that kind depends on whether they are well or ill, fresh or tired, at the moment.

But of course the Enemy will not meantime be idle. Wherever there is prayer, there is danger of His own immediate action. He is cynically indifferent to the dignity of His position, and ours, as pure spirits, and to human animals on their knees He pours out self-knowledge in a quite shameless fashion. But even if He defeats your first attempt at misdirection, we have a subtler weapon. The humans do not start from that direct perception of Him which we, unhappily, cannot avoid. They have never known that ghastly luminosity, that stabbing and searing glare which makes the background of permanent pain to our lives. If you look into your patient’s mind when he is praying, you will not find that. If you examine the object to which he is attending, you will find that it is a composite object containing many quite ridiculous ingredients. There will be images derived from pictures of the Enemy as He appeared during the discreditable episode known as the Incarnation: there will be vaguer—perhaps quite savage and puerile—images associated with the other two Persons. There will even be some of his own reverence (and of bodily sensations accompanying it) objectified and attributed to the object revered. I have known cases where what the patient called his “God” was actually located—up and to the left at the corner of the bedroom ceiling, or inside his own head, or in a crucifix on the wall. But whatever the nature of the composite object, you must keep him praying to it—to the thing that he has made, not to the Person who has made him. You may even encourage him to attach great importance to the correction and improvement of his composite object, and to keeping it steadily before his imagination during the whole prayer. For if he ever comes to make the distinction, if ever he consciously directs his prayers “Not to what I think thou art but to what thou knowest thyself to be”, our situation is, for the moment, desperate. Once all his thoughts and images have been flung aside or, if retained, retained with a full recognition of their merely subjective nature, and the man trusts himself to the completely real, external, invisible Presence, there with him in the room and never knowable by him as he is known by it—why, then it is that the incalculable may occur. In avoiding this situation—this real nakedness of the soul in prayer—you will be helped by the fact that the humans themselves do not desire it as much as they suppose. There’s such a thing as getting more than they bargained for!

Your affectionate uncle
SCREWTAPE


18 posted on 02/10/2008 7:22:23 PM PST by Rodm (Seest thou a man diligent in his business? He shall stand before kings)
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To: 1rudeboy

Keep wondering the same thing myself.


19 posted on 02/10/2008 7:22:27 PM PST by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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To: jdm

“Hi, I’m BJ. You might know me from my world famous cigar maneuvers. You might also know me from when when I lied on international television under oath. I feel a spiritual connection with .. (ugh)”


20 posted on 02/10/2008 7:35:18 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: jdm

OMG. Does Barry Lynn know about this?


21 posted on 02/10/2008 7:43:06 PM PST by fkabuckeyesrule (I wish there was a baseball game on.)
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To: 1rudeboy
Do Republicans campaign in churches? When’s the last time?

Well, today actually: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1968300/posts#comment?q=1
22 posted on 02/10/2008 7:43:33 PM PST by RepublitarianRoger2
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To: jdm

So Bill... trolling for chicks in the church?


23 posted on 02/10/2008 7:44:14 PM PST by John123 (Wahhabism is the best choice for anyone too stupid for scientology...)
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To: 1rudeboy

AME church in Bowie? Boy, the neighborhood’s changed.


24 posted on 02/10/2008 7:45:33 PM PST by NotSoFreeStater
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To: acoulterfan

Thank heaven Bill’s back and taking an active role in Hillary’s campaign! I’m really hoping for a Clinton II administration because they’d be SO much better than McCain!!!


25 posted on 02/10/2008 7:46:31 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: popdonnelly

Walkin’ around money - walkin’ around money.


26 posted on 02/10/2008 7:48:55 PM PST by GOPJ (Take your ball - go home - sit this one out? Fifty years of liberal Supreme Court decisions? NO WAY.)
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To: RepublitarianRoger2

Oops, messed up that post and the hyperlink.

Wanted to add that there is a vast difference in the text of Clinton’s speech and in Huckabee’s, however. Huckabee spoke more briefly, and mostly about God, and mostly in generalities. The word “vote” wasn’t in there (although I’m sure Huck was hoping to pick up some votes). But Clinton’s speech was an extremely blatant “vote for my wife” plea and nothing more.


27 posted on 02/10/2008 7:50:05 PM PST by RepublitarianRoger2
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To: RepublitarianRoger2

God is so very patient, but one day BJ Clinton is going to play the heretic 1 too many times and he’s going to get struck down where he stands. It’s appalling that such a narcissist gets away with standing up in church and spouting lies.


28 posted on 02/10/2008 7:53:14 PM PST by princess leah
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To: jdm

I predicted from the beginning that Bill Clinton would be the Kiss of Death to Hillary’s Campaign and that is just what has happened in the last 6 weeks.
With a handful of exceptions almost anyone and everyone Bill Clinton has campaigned for since 1992 has lost.
Hillary now is experiencing it. Bill Clinton’s mouth and colossal screwup in South Carolina have put the once inevitable nomination of Hillary in serious trouble if not now out of reach by a real lightweight like Obama.
Give Obama real credit he has taken the mis-steps and his fresh face and message of change and run with it. Maybe all the way to the nomination and the White House. But who of any of us thought Obama would last this long and be the one in the Cats Bird Seat at this point.
Almost feel sorry for Hillary. But the chips are falling and where they land is what it is.


29 posted on 02/10/2008 7:56:47 PM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: Rosemont

5 pound Bible.


30 posted on 02/10/2008 7:58:10 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: jdm

How much “walkin’ around money” did the Clintons have to pay the ministers to let Bill speak at their churches?


31 posted on 02/10/2008 7:59:36 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Clinton to worshippers, “hurry up and pass the plate around I’ve got other donations to collect!!!”


32 posted on 02/10/2008 8:02:38 PM PST by eaglestar
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To: eaglestar

I don’t understand why they don’t write their own checks. The Clintoons are worth north of $40 million.


33 posted on 02/10/2008 8:20:07 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: 1rudeboy
Do Republicans campaign in churches? When’s the last time?

Huckabee

34 posted on 02/10/2008 8:21:01 PM PST by It's me
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To: jdm

bubba can kiss everybodys arse but mine


35 posted on 02/10/2008 8:21:59 PM PST by shadowcat
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To: jdm
Any church that would honor Bill Clinton will deserve its fate..
He has completely proved his retrobate STATUS...
Evidently so are they...
36 posted on 02/10/2008 8:36:21 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Captain Peter Blood

Hasn’t billy boy been the “kiss of death” to everyone he’s campaigned for?


37 posted on 02/10/2008 8:44:54 PM PST by goodnesswins (We are not going to let McCain go all the way, when we’ve just had a FIRST date!)
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To: Rosemont

1. Why only African American churches?
2. Agreed, why are none of these churches having the tax status questioned?


38 posted on 02/10/2008 8:59:34 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Rosemont

The pervert is out trolling in the black churches with his big black Bible again. What a pathetic loser.


39 posted on 02/10/2008 9:05:16 PM PST by cowdog77 (Circle the Wagons)
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To: 1rudeboy
Bill Clinton taught Huckabee how to get a FREE hall; speak in Churches.

Why must Candidates rent a hall from City Hall, or a School District, unless that candidate is trying for “System Votes”?

40 posted on 02/10/2008 11:20:48 PM PST by PizzaDriver (an heinleinian/libertarian)
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To: RepublitarianRoger2

Thanks, I forgot about Huckabee.


41 posted on 02/11/2008 3:51:45 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: jdm; Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; cindy-true-supporter; ...

Slick Willie comes to town!

Maryland “Freak State” PING!


42 posted on 02/11/2008 6:04:00 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Cloverfield 2008! Why vote for a lesser monster?)
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