Posted on 02/15/2008 1:51:19 PM PST by DCBryan1
Sometimes I think my teenage neice is a better researcher, journalist, and patriot than even...gasp...fox news commentators.
I just heard Neil Cavuto "confirm" that new updates were coming in that the NIU gunman had "legally bought his weapons and accessories from the internet". In addition , Cavuto specifically mentioned high-capacity "clips" (NOTE: THEY ARE CALLED MAGAZINES) and a "glock holster" from the same online retail gun dealer that the nut at V Tech used.
However, with 5 minutes of searching on the internet, or even a phone call to a local gunstore (with an FFL) any "journalist" can find that:
1) All firearms "bought on the internet" are held by an retail gunstore or distributor (with an FFL).
2) All firearms are transfered, tax free, to the FFL in which the buyer is a legal resident after the transaction is completed.
3) The firearm is then transfered to the citizen at the FFL in his/her own state of residence after filling out an inspid form 4473 and a call to NICS.
4) After this, I believe, in Illinois, you have to have a certain "permit" to even take possession.
Anyways, I am digressing...What the truth is really does fly in the face of what the local, regional, cable, and alphabet networks want you to belive: that guns (and evil magazines) can be bought and delivered to madmen at the click of a mouse.
.../rant off...
when removed they no longer have the cognitive skills necessary to function?
I believe you've touched on a core issue that the drug
companies, along with certain elements of the medical and
psychiatric professions, do NOT want to have a discussion about... HARM.
It may just be that MANY meds have the same effect on the mind/body when used constantly as to what happens to those that must use Crack or Cocaine, or even alcohol, which is legal. Constant or extensive use, and/or sudden abstinence, tends to produce very irrational behavior.
My apologies to you for being a little testy.
My son is a cop, he can legally carry concealed and believes as many cops do that that right should extend to every law abiding citizen.
He’s also an Iraq war veteran and I went with him recently to the V.A. clinic in Danville, Illinois. Big sign on the door “No guns allowed”, he left his in the glove compartment.
The stupid people will never learn, the question is when will we get the EVIL people out of office?
I want to know who sold this guy his Prozac, and if they were qualified to make that kind of decision. Why didn’t he have to register his Prozac, and notify proper federal authorities when he quit taking it? Until we get antidepressant drugs under control, the kooks who don’t use them right will use guns to hurt people. It’s a travesty.
Now I understand. I'm close to a number of police officers including the DeKalb County Sheriff. One is a SWAT officer in the tri-county area west of Chicago. They feel the same way.
In fact, since I can't hunt anymore due to health reasons, I gave my guns (except for a .357) to the 9 y.o. son of that SWAT officer. The young lad is turning into a fine hunter (under his dad's control, of course).
They will not come and knock on the door and ask nicely, you will be handcuffed on the ground with your family beside you (hopefully none of you bleeding to death from gunshot wounds) while they destroy the entire property at 02:00 looking for everything they think you might have...
I'm no statistician, nor have access to data that would show how many of these tragedies were caused by shooters who'd stopped taking medication. But I know it's not an uncommon theme. Instead of targeting the gun and gun owners, if society wants to do something meaningful, this is an area that should be addressed.
As you said, you have common sense, an extremely rare gift these days.....
What’s worse... Greta-voice... or Greta-face?
My question is:
If this joker was on psychotropic meds, how did he get the FOID in the fist place?
Oh, I forgot, he was a sociology major, and liberals dont have to tell the truth....my bad.
Geraldo is an idiot. He was on responding to Larry Pratt. Larry said we needed to allow the average person to be armed so they could defend themselves. Larry said that cops cannot be everywhere.
Geraldo’s answer was that we did not need a bunch of 2nd amendment whackos. We needed to increases taxes so we could afford to have security guards in all these places.
These medications, if we are talking psychotropic drugs, cause permanent brain changes.
http://www.breggin.com/suicidalityviolence.pbreggin.2003.html
The media are already using the special verb they maintain for times like this. The killer “amassed” three pistols and a shotgun. Amassed an arsenal!
My condolences to the families.
Does it seem to anyone else that these kinds of incidents seem to increase during election years? We’ve had two now in Illinois in the last month where gun laws are strictest.
Thanks! I downloaded the article.
Is "amassing" better or worse than "stockpiling"? Where does it appear on the continuum between "hoarding" and "mongering"?
One thing the media isn't saying, and that's this nutjob bought his stuff legally, and the students "felt safe" up until the last couple of seconds when they started dying. As Virginia Tech said, after the murders there, their policy remains to make the students feel safe, because they can't deal with the reality of being safe. "Feelings" trumps everything else for liberals, including hot lead.
I believe it is the sudden absence that causes the extreme reaction, exacerbating whatever problem the individual was taking the med to control.
Just say no to drugs, especially the ones the schools want to give your kids.
Michael Frazier
The wife and I discussed this this a.m. While the NIU police/DeKalb police response was terrific, once something like this begins to go down only someone 'on site' has any chance of altering the outcome.
Some, as reported in up-thread posts, believe on-site guards are an answer (I'm referring to a remark Heraldo made). My response would be concealed carry. Even then, the likelihood that an innocent would die before the gunman was taken out remains high. And what if that lone 'guard' is taken out (or close to) first? No, concealed carry makes more sense. That way the gunman has no idea who is, or isn't armed. And if we were to evolve to a point where it could be expected that someone, somewhere, WILL be armed, such crazies would think twice. Why? Because their intended 'last stand' would be significantly diminished and consequently worthless.
I lean towards the latter.
You will never ever get the mental health-psych industry to admit anything though.
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