This thread is officially declared hijacked.
Posted on 02/15/2008 3:45:48 PM PST by pissant
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Of course he is, but I have started using his more honorable title. ;-)
You might want to Google “magic negro” and educate yourself.
Kook?
flip floppers and flop flippers
Nope, I’m not, thanks. And you, or is that just how you come across?
The toughness I refer to is the toughness to make a decision that sticks in the throat. It happens in life. It truly is either/or. You are either for McCain or you are for the Socialist Party nominee. It's ugly, but true.
You claim it is 'our' fault that McCain is the nominee - but consider that many of us had no choice in the matter. In Kansas, the caucus was after the super Tuesday anointing. No choice.
I understand, but it's beside the point. There was NEVER a single conservative in the race with money, motivation, and skill. Not a single one. You never had a choice. Not because of the order of the primaries--it was because of the dirth of candidates. Don't even try to bring up that old fart Fred Thompson. One of the biggest mistakes of this cycle was investing any hope whatsoever in Fred. He was a dud spud from the start. Gag me.
You and I also differ over whether McCain is the "obvious better choice" this November. I'm not speaking of supporting either potential dem, but rather speaking out against the liberalization of the republican party.
I understand your argument, but you are right. I disagree. I don't think that sucking it up this time out means we forget our principles. It means we accept the facts on the ground and live to fight another day, in the meantime availing ourselves of the best possible option. I know I won't forget what I believe in, neither will the rest.
Further, I think we're making a big mistake by not bargaining with McCain. I know, it's dealing with the Devil, but we should give him his due. Kiss his ring, do business, get a seat at the table. Help him win. Then we can at least negotiate with him. Maybe influence his VP pick. It's at least a chance. To reject him out of hand GUARANTEES to bring out the very worst in him, and leave us with the worst possible outcome. It's bad business. Too emotional. We need to use our heads.
With the method you are choosing, the only choice one has if one wishes to remain true to one's principles is to leave the party. Because to vote for a candidate is to endorse his record. McCain's record is anti-conservative.
The method I am using is the same method that impelled me to vote for GWB. I made the correct choice. Politics is the art of the possible. Isn't that what they say? I didn't love GWB. I didn't even like him ( I do like Laura though) But it was the correct vote.
McCain is a "centrist." At least he was in recent years in the Senate. I know what he is. It won't be great. But it will be better than a DEM president with a strong mandate, that's for damn sure. And if we help him win, he WILL owe us. McCain knows how the game is played. We need to reach out to him...I know it sucks, but he's holding the cards. He won. If he loses the DEMs win, and then we REALLY lose.
Voting against the dem for a more conservative moderate repub candidate the last eight years has brought us to a three trillion dollar budget, to sweeping social entitlement programs, etc.
Same thing happened under Reagan. It is what it is. That's beyond just the president. That's the whole Congress, and quite honestly, the American people. We're all to blame for it. Doesn't make electing the SOCIALIST party any more desirable though.
McCain has shown in his record that he wants to go much, much further than that, just the same as he has shown absolute contempt for the US Constitution (with both McCain-Feingold and his gang of 14 antics).
McCain Feingold, which GWB signed into law (the twit.) But he was still a better choice than Kerry. And those were the only two choices. It doesn't help to wish we had better choices. We still have a real choice to make come November. And McCain is clearly preferable to a DEM with a mandate.
You appear to be choosing party over principle,
Quite the opposite. The principle I am advocating is a) accept reality b)face the tough decisions c)live to fight another day. We can moan all we want, but the primaries are over. We failed to put a top drawer candidate on the field, and now we get what we got. And the principled thing to do is to man up and make the best available choice, and then try to correct our own failings in time for 2012.
and then deciding to try to sling mud on those who can no longer do so. It's ineffective, except to illustrate the weakness of your arguments.
My arguments are solid as a rock. Only, I'm not necessarily trying to persuade. As I said to someone else, I'm also simply holding up reality and sticking it in the faces of those who are chickening out, because I simply want them to face the consequences of their choice. I will be fine no matter what happens. But if folks are going to be abject fools, the least I can do is try to make it hurt a little.
I was referring to Paul as a kook.
He isn't practicing, so he is no doctor.
If he is so vain as to require a title, "Kook" will do.
Incorrect. Hell, I don't like McCain. But, come November, he'll be the best available choice. I'm slamming those who prefer to elect SOCIALISTS.
But then, maybe YOU are a bigot so you are OK with that.
I am a bigot. I despise the socialist DEMOCRAT party.
Another Biblical reference
“Obama’s truth sets us free”
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008/02/13/2008-02-13_obamas_truth_sets_us_free-1.html
Incorrect. I agree that you are helping the DEMs. I disagree that helping the DEMs helps conservatism. It quite obviously helps SOCIALISM, which I despise.
Again, quite the opposite. I acknowledge that it's the norm.
And you apparently do not see that it’s the party that has intentionally front loaded the primaries/caucuses as I described in my reply that you didn’t read, so that a conservative candidate will never have a chance of becoming the nominee.
I contend that the front loaded primaries had nothing to do with it. There was no conservative in the race who had money, motivation, and skill. ZER0. It didn't matter what order the primaries were in. Duncan Hunter wasn't even widely accepted here. He was considered not viable. The closest thing to a viable conservative was that laughable disaster Fred Thompson. He was a loser from the start. A pitiful campaign, an unmotivated candidate, no organization, limited money. Pathetic. So who were we supposed to vote for? Romney? Get a grip. We had no leader. It's our fault.
LOL, same here Huck.
I despise liberalism because it robs the dignity that God gave all men.
Living in Ct, I live by a credo, that credo being to vote for the most conservative guy in the primary and then voting for the most conservative guy in the general. One caveat to that is that I never, ever vote for a Democrat.
In the end I will vote for McCain I think, as distaseteful as that is to me.
If we were smart we'd be pushing McCain to the right by sitting at the table instead of standing in the background waiting for Obama to sow more seeds of liberalism around this country.
“Today’s my off day.”
Yep, the nitwits have totally decided that playing rock-em sock-em robots is more fun than discussing the article, because (I suspect) that would require actual reading skills.
LOL. Yeah, Loser/Loser. You get a clue. Hunter couldn't even garner a majority of support here on FR. His chances in the country at large was nil. He didn't have the money, the organization, he didn't inspire. No one bought it. And pissant and perhaps you too hung on to that loser waaaaay past what was sensible.
And Fred? I can't run out of bad things to say about him. His campaign was pathetic. His get in late strategy was a total failure. His lack of energy and motivation was obvious. Huckabee ran circles around him, finding clever ways to make news (the cross ad, the "i won't run the anti romney ad, here it is press conference) while Fred lazed about saying "uuuuuuh" and "duuuuuuh." And then, before he even makes it to Super Tuesday, buh-bye, he's out. One of the biggest mistakes of this cycle was giving any support or creedence to that useless sad sack Fred Dalton Thompson.
You are however are where? on FR?
Yup. I was right on everything so far. I said Hunter had no chance: correct. I said as far back as last summer that Fred had no chance: correct. But by the time the deluded Fredheads figured it out, it was too late to organize around Romney, who was destined to failure anyway (I voted for that loser on Super Tuesday.)
Bottom line: the conservative movement failed to field a candidate who had money, skill, and motivation. End of story. But come November, we have a responsibility as AMERICANS to choose the best of the two candidates.
Har har. Actually, I’m brilliant today.
Yeah, Talc.
Well. That explains it. I don’t vote for people who call me a bigot, whether it is Hillary, Bo OR McCain.
Go for it. I’ll keep my pride.
Hey there old FRiend. I was hoping to hear from you today. I hoped/expected you'd agree with me, and as you know, it always steels my resolve when I know a fine gentleman such as yourself agrees with me. And I couldn't agree more about the "sitting at the table" thing. People are letting their emotions govern them. Have they never had unpleasant business dealings? Have they never had to kiss a customer's butt? Have they no clue how life works? By shutting ourselves out, we guarantee our worst expectations about McCain--that he'll shut out conservatives, or that the DEM will win. Who could blame McCain for shutting us out at this point? He won the nod. He's in the catbird seat. I don't like him either, but as a business man, I'd kiss his ring, bring him donuts and coffee, and get down to business. It's the smart play, as Michael Corleone would say.
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