Posted on 02/15/2008 10:40:50 PM PST by 2nd amendment mama
The glaring disparity between the number of such acts committed in Gun Free Zones vs Heavily Armed Zones suggests that arms do, in fact, contribute to the peace and tranquility desired by a society that strives to protect innocent life.
But why stop there? Those who favor restricting gun rights (by deeming it a priviledge- which it ain't), are actually aiding and abetting criminals who slaughter innocents at-will under the presumption that these losses of life are preferrable to the mayhem and death that would result from citizens carrying 'uninfringed' and able to respond immediately to a threat.
Fortunately for the various judges, police chiefs, mayors, and various states' legislators, the finger-of-blame cannot be pointed in their direction as having contributed directly to any particular act or crime against innocents. Sadly, the carnage against innocents will continue under a logic that, even Mr. Spock might say, "is illogical".
Thanks from the ping!
Not only do IL and WI not recognize other states permits, they have none of their own, only the only two states not to have such a system. Well, and Vermont, which respects their state's and the federal Constitutions, and does not prohibit concealed carry with no license or permit required.
But they are not the only two states who do not recognize other state's permits. Far from it. Most states with CHL systems recognize some, but not all other states permits. You have to very careful. Not only for that reason, but also because each states laws concerning where and when and other factors, such as having to present the permit when stopped by an officer, all differ.
It's not clear that this guy was mentally ill in a way that would have him put into such a State Hospital in the old days. We still don't know, or at least I don't, what "meds" he was previously on, or who prescribed them. Given that he was a grad student, first at NIU and then at U IL Champaign-Urbana, it could have been a student health center.W We also don't know what condition the "meds" were supposed to be treating.
There are a few who may suffer from some mild form of depression or other mental illness and are fine people. No threat at all. Then there is a core group who go in and out of in-patient units at hospitals, further stressing the ER's almost on a monthly basis. Their mental illness is their identity. It brings them attention, money and social services. Some may be dangerous, but most just need a kick in the pants or long term placements in the state hospitals. many in this group were in the hospitals, but have been moved into the community. the other percentage are just deadbeats playing the system for the meds and money and attention
Then, there is the last group. These are the people that are a serious danger. Some are very smart. Some are very stupid or delusional and/or psychotic. Throw in real paranoia mixed with a cocktail of hate, perversion and hallucinations and you have got some walking time bombs. The world owes them and they sit and fantasize about making the world pay.
Where are they, living in your community. The system is set up to discourage hospitalizations. Hospitalizations and jail time means failure for community services. The try to keep these people in the community to justify their jobs!
Police arrived at NIU in less than five minutes from the time that the shooter entered the stage of the auditorium
[When seconds count, the police are 'only' minutes away.]
Maybe us serfs stuck here in Daley's kingdom of IL should start a massive Civil Disobedience Movement and start carrying - open or concealed and the 'heck' with the draconian laws. If enough of us do it, maybe we'll swamp the courts and they'll just give up, like IL has done with the Illegals.
Nah, forget that idea. Unlike the stinking Illegals we have too much to lose. Thanks to that $#@&ing George Ryan's deal with King Richie Daley that's now a Felony and nobody needs that. Even if it was just an empty holster the state wide gestapo (the DuPage County States Attorney is a gun grabber too) would throw the book at us, like for 'making a terrorist threat'. And in Cook County or Chicago the charges would be even harsher.
But something has to be done, that's for sure. Hopefully Heller vs D.C. will be it.
'Spirit', Thanks for the PING
My personal Motto: LOCK AND LOAD!!
Any government that denies its own citizens the right to protect themsselves is, in and of itself, a criminal enterprise ... and needs to be brought down down by means whatever.
Free Fire Zones is a more apt descriptor.
Cool! Bravo!
A little better, it's a misdemeanor in Wisconsin, and thanks to a recent Supreme Court decision you can probably carry a concealed weapon on your own property. And state law prempts local measures, so a town can't ban handguns as does Chicago and a few suburbs.
Wisconsin is a legal open carry state, but I wouldn't suggest strolling down the street in most cities with a weapon, they'll cite you for disturbing the peace. So much for legal open carry.
And not only another assault weapon ban, but a ban on ammunition used by the ugly guns, which includes most common centerfire ammunition as well as .22. And severe restrictions on handgun ownership and handgun ammunition. He's silent on shotguns to my knowledge, as well as bows and knives, but he'll get to that.
But we need Constitution Free Zones for our own good!
I thought Statistical Analsysis Services (SAS Institute). Couldn't make it connect to gun-free zones, though.
That's very true, though still the government can't and won't protect you. Witness the Virginia Tech case, an individual the shriks thought was a danger to self and others, a judge opted not to commit him, a bar to gun ownership. So much for the government. If they had, Virginia wouldn't have made that fact available to the instant check system, so he could have made an over the counter purchase anyway. A position supported by many gunowners. Not that he wouldn't have acquired a weapon illegally, murderers aren't deterred by gun laws.
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