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the biggest muslim city in china: Urumchi,have your heard about it?
http://www.indiandefenceforum.com/index.php/topic,2739.240/topicseen.html ^ | Feb,08,2008 | cathy

Posted on 02/16/2008 12:06:44 AM PST by badguy2200

some photos abt the biggest muslim city in china: Urumchi, the capital of the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of the People's Republic of China.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: china; chinesemuslims; islam; muslim; muslims; urumchi; urumqi
do you know that there are dozes of million Muslim in China? Have you heard about the city of Urumchi? Now,it is the most advanced and biggest city in Ceter Asia.
1 posted on 02/16/2008 12:06:45 AM PST by badguy2200
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2 posted on 02/16/2008 12:14:28 AM PST by badguy2200
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Looks like Denver.


3 posted on 02/16/2008 12:15:47 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: badguy2200
I dunno about this whole idea that anyone who is Muslim is the enemy. I don't agree with their religion, but I've worked extensively in the Middle East, and I don't find them to be hostile people. Quite the opposite. They are usually quite accomodating.

USA has many allies in the Muslim world..... Jordan, Kuwait, UAE, Qatar, Yemen, and as much as many of you don't want to admit it, Saudi Arabia.

What does bother me about Islam is the subjugation of women and the institution of Sharia law. Laws should not be based on religious text.

Moreover, I don't think women should be draped from head to toe. I like seeing women in miniskirts. However, if you travel to Dubai, Kuwait, Amman, or Cairo,(just to name a few) you will see exactly that.

So I do not belive that we are, or should be, at war with Islam. I do believe that we should be at war with terrorism. That's a whole 'nuther post though.

4 posted on 02/16/2008 12:16:35 AM PST by squidly
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5 posted on 02/16/2008 12:17:22 AM PST by badguy2200
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the left red star is the location of Urumchi
6 posted on 02/16/2008 12:26:08 AM PST by badguy2200
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To: badguy2200

Welcome to FreeRepublic.com badguy2200.

Interesting moniker.

Beautiful photos.


7 posted on 02/16/2008 12:32:43 AM PST by Cindy
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To: badguy2200

Great photos.


8 posted on 02/16/2008 12:46:13 AM PST by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: badguy2200

I went to Urumchi in 1987. It looked absolutely nothing like the photos you’ve posted. Amazing!


9 posted on 02/16/2008 12:54:55 AM PST by rogue yam
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To: Cindy; badguy2200
Notice the statue on the right...

Not something one would normally find in a Mohammedan controlled city.
10 posted on 02/16/2008 1:14:44 AM PST by Tainan (Talk is cheap. Silence is golden. All I got is brass...lotsa brass.)
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To: badguy2200

Urumqi (it’s usual Pinyin spelling) is a beautiful, wonderful city. It has a strong Mongolian flavor but still Chinese. Right up against the mountains.

There isn’t really a radical islam problem in China; they know how to handle that kind of thing. Religions are allowed in China - you see mosques, synagogues, churches, and temples. And it has the largest mosque in all of China!


11 posted on 02/16/2008 1:18:54 AM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: Tainan

I see the statue.
Who is it supposed to represent?
(Sorry I can’t quite make out the face.)


12 posted on 02/16/2008 1:22:20 AM PST by Cindy
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To: badguy2200

great pix. bkmark.


13 posted on 02/16/2008 1:45:51 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: badguy2200

Cool photos.


14 posted on 02/16/2008 1:49:23 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: badguy2200

This is the province formerly transliterated as Sinkiang, correct? The first major trading country west of China on the Old Silk Road?


15 posted on 02/16/2008 1:52:57 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Mike Huckabee: If Gomer Pyle and Hugo Chavez had a love child this is who it would be.)
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This raises an odd question I wondered about for a long time.

Except for religion of course, are there inherently compatible bonds between Islam and Communism not present between Christianity and Communism?

Reasons I ask: Many of the Middle East nations that had strong ties with the former USSR had strong socialist elements. Also, many of the old Soviet Republics were predominately Muslim.

16 posted on 02/16/2008 1:53:38 AM PST by backtothestreets (My bologna has a first name, it's J-O-R-G-E)
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To: badguy2200

Yes and its more like Red Chinese occupied East Turkestan.


17 posted on 02/16/2008 2:44:37 AM PST by rmlew (Huckabee flip flops so much it makes Romney cringe)
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To: badguy2200
If you want a Silk Road city check out Samarkhand.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samarkand
18 posted on 02/16/2008 2:50:18 AM PST by rmlew (Huckabee flip flops so much it makes Romney cringe)
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To: squidly
I have nothing against islam.

I do hate and despise repressive, autocratic, delusional, hateful belief systems that seek to subjugate the world and think of themselves as the unquestioned heirs to all of creation. If such a belief system is also characterized by a hatred of women, Jews, Christians, Buddhists and non-believers, all representational art, finds itself blowing up things because "allah told me to do it" and spews hatred to its own children and calls it education, I find that particularly reprehensible. Finally if such a belief system is populated with a core of 80%-90% supposedly decent people who say nothing about the small extremist fringe that behave like this, why that is something I find particularly reprehensible.

But I've got nothing against islam.

19 posted on 02/16/2008 2:54:10 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: badguy2200

It is advanced because the CHICOMS do not allow the Sharia Law to rule this Muslim society.

There is strict separation of Mosque and State.

Otherwise this city would be a typical Third World Sewer as is so much of the Islamic Middle East and Asia.

There is a lesson here for the USA....


20 posted on 02/16/2008 3:01:20 AM PST by thomasjefferson1215
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To: rmlew

I was deployed to Uzbekistan in 2004, visited Samarqand twice. A fascinating part of the world, pretty much cut off from the outside until recently. Uzbeks proudly told me of their cultural connection with Turkey and with Uighur people.

For a treat, go to youtube.com and input “Three Uyghur Girls from Uzbekistan”. They sing their number with Urumqi in the background.


21 posted on 02/16/2008 3:04:16 AM PST by elcid1970
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To: backtothestreets

>>are there inherently compatible bonds between Islam and
>>Communism not present between Christianity and Communism?

Based on my knowledge of both Islam and Communism, I would say no, not necessarily.

You are correct, however, that most states with majority Muslim populations are socialist.

I attribute it to the fact that most of these states were premodern in terms of culture, economic organization, and infrastructure. A point made by many historians is that socialism is a modernizing force that attempts to rationalize or manage the transition to a modern society.

The problem, as Friedrich Hayek argued, is that change can’t reliably be managed or rationalized. A reasonably free market allows decision-making to be decentralized, and so mistakes in judgment are corrected much more quickly than in a system of central planning.


22 posted on 02/16/2008 3:07:45 AM PST by oblomov (Molok Obama is so inspirational. He inspires me to offshore assets & buy as many guns as I can.)
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To: squidly
I dunno about this whole idea that anyone who is Muslim is the enemy

Your sentiments are those of the majority. The majority of westerners are not informed about their own history due to the lack of adequate historical programming on TV. If you could read a few good books, or rent a few informative videos about the history of ISLAMIC CONQUEST then we might all be safer.

As long as the past is forgotten and ignored, the future is a replay- a Tivo of the same old same old story of ISLAMIC CONQUEST.

What's so hard to understand about the Turks in Europe, the Moors in Spain and the advantages of a Christian culture over that of the suicidal islamic death cult?

Millions live under the umbrellas of Christianity and Isalm, respectively. Which would you choose if the sword was at your neck and you had no gun?

The soft-sell by liberals and the vanguard of Islam is the Rodney King "can't we all get along" mantra.

Check out the state of affairs in Britain. Those poor bastards are due for serious blood-letting due to their capitulation to "peace at any price".

England we see in old movies is dead. All that is left is the husk of impotent losers, lining up for their daily spanking at the hands of petty bureaucrats and policemen.

23 posted on 02/16/2008 3:10:14 AM PST by x_plus_one (The entire Islamic moral universe devolves solely from the life and teachings of Muhammad.)
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To: Cindy
I do not know who the subject of the statue is, nor anything further about the statue itself. My comment was directed to the fact that it is a human likeness used as art. Mohammedans are not allowed to use pictures or statues of humans in their public artwork. This is why you will see such intricate geometric designs used to decorate Mohammedan buildings and facilities.
This area has been the scene of a lot of 'rebel' activity in recent years and has seen the hard fist of the PLA used in response to these rebel activities.

And I agree, they are pretty nice photos.
24 posted on 02/16/2008 3:34:10 AM PST by Tainan (Talk is cheap. Silence is golden. All I got is brass...lotsa brass.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

yes,it was spelled as” Sinkiang” before PRC was founded.

sometimes somebody calls it “Eastern Turkistan” or “Chinese Turkistan”.

But Turkish-speaking people came here just after 500 AD .
Before 500 AD,Han-Chinese had lived here for almost 700 years.

The great Chinese adventurer,Zhang Qian,”found” the “Easter Turkistan” on about 120BC.Then on 60 BC,Chinese Han-empire set up its rule in “Eastern Turkistan”.

On about 790AD,the last Chinese city in “Eastern Turkistan” fell down.But on about 1750,Chinese Manchus-Empire came back and reconquered it.

Red China just succeeded the heritage of Imperial China in 1949.

In fact,so is the Tibet. Tibet was conquered and controled by Chinese Manchus-Empire in 17-18th century gradually.


25 posted on 02/16/2008 3:35:41 AM PST by badguy2200
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have you seen the mountain in the background?

it is TianShan Moutain. it extended 2000 KM from Center Asia to Xinjian and its average altitude is about 5000 meters high.


26 posted on 02/16/2008 3:42:57 AM PST by badguy2200
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have you seen the mountain in the background? it is TianShan Moutain. it extended 2000 KM from Center Asia to Xinjian and its average altitude is about 5000 meters high.
27 posted on 02/16/2008 3:46:11 AM PST by badguy2200
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To: badguy2200

Well there are also millions of Muslims in the USA as well.

It looks as though the Muslims in China have been more westernized than some of those in the USA.

I traveled through China and it looks to me that Urumchi offers more to its citizens than Bejing as far as freedom and clean air and friendly faces.

It does look like Denver, Colorado. Unfortunately, if these “Chinese” get too progressive I can see the Chinese Communist Party coming down on them faster than you can say MAO.

JMHO.


28 posted on 02/16/2008 3:56:54 AM PST by not2worry ( What goes around comes around!)
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To: thomasjefferson1215

good observation.

having lived in China for a few years post 911, I can tell you with some certainty that the Chinese government is in complete control.

Sharia law is something the muslims in this area would openly push for if A) they wanted their mosque bulldozed and B) wished to be spirited away in the night. Any hint of terrorist sympathizing would bring the same.

China don’t play. It is a model we should adopt with regards to Islam.


29 posted on 02/16/2008 4:01:55 AM PST by Eddie01 (Freepers don't let Freepers get spun)
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the following is the map of Chinese Han empire(202BC-220AD). So,When Roman was still a republic,Han empire already ruled the "Eastern Turkistan".
30 posted on 02/16/2008 4:05:31 AM PST by badguy2200
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To: badguy2200

Yummmm....
The Afghan bread With sesame seeds Is really really good when warm from the oven


31 posted on 02/16/2008 4:09:25 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Never say never (there'll be a VP you'll like))
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To: squidly

Rational thought when discussing Muslims is not allowed on Free Republic.

The thought police will get ya


32 posted on 02/16/2008 4:11:19 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Never say never (there'll be a VP you'll like))
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To: not2worry

most people in the picture are non-Muslims,I think,because Northern XinJiang,including Urumchi, should be mainly populated by Mandarin-speaking Chinese.

Northern Xinjiang were mainly populated by Mongols 300 years ago. But most Mongols were massacred during Manchus empire’s conquer in mid-18 century.Then it became mainly populated by Mandarin-speaking Chinese.

Turkish-speaking people mostly live in Southern Xinjiang.


33 posted on 02/16/2008 4:26:54 AM PST by badguy2200
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>>are there inherently compatible bonds between Islam and >>Communism not present between Christianity and Communism?

Well, that kind of association is a stretch of generalisation. Look at South America, or even the former Soviet republics, including Russia. These were places where Communism originated, at the grassroots-level.

Besides, Saudi Arabia was quite anti-USSR.

Supporting or not supporting Communism boils down to the interests of the key authority in power, in the country in question.

34 posted on 02/16/2008 8:45:16 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: x_plus_one
I understand what you are saying about Islam. I have traveled and worked in several countries in the Middle East. We are "infecting" them and their beliefs as much as they are our's.

The problem in Europe is the declining birth rate, and the influx of Muslims to make up for it. This is what will lead to Sharia Law in Europe, unless one of those two things changes. Whatever I say about Muslims being "okay", I cannot tolerate Sharia Law.

35 posted on 02/16/2008 8:45:35 AM PST by squidly
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Sinkiang was known as the East Turkistan Republic, a breakaway from China in the mid-30’s through 1949, when the Chinese Communists steamrolled the corrupt government’s Army...

This actually happened TWICE, with the first being defeated in 1934.

And don’t believe the propoganda, China has had MANY problems with the Muslems in this region over the years, and cracks down HARSHLY whenever they rise up...


36 posted on 02/16/2008 9:00:55 AM PST by tcrlaf (VOTE DEMOCRAT-You'll look great in a Burka!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Barry will like this shift in China. Coming to a country near you soon.


37 posted on 02/16/2008 9:03:40 AM PST by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: muir_redwoods

Then you should have nothing against Barry Obama. Now, go vote.


38 posted on 02/16/2008 9:05:38 AM PST by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: gathersnomoss
"Then you should have nothing against Barry Obama. Now, go vote."

"I do hate and despise repressive, autocratic, delusional, hateful belief systems ..."

It's awkward to quote oneself but I did say the above and I believe that must necessarily include the democrat party and it's platform so, no, I won't be voting for hillarama, whichever one gets the party nod.

39 posted on 02/16/2008 10:31:13 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: Eddie01

I’ve been following the developments in China and I see a tilt towards democracy. One important influence is Hong Kong, which has held onto its freedom and exported to the PRC.

Another major influence has been Christianity. Today there are millions more Christians than Communists. Many new Christians do not belong to “official” churches that are controlled by the government, but belong instead to “home” churches that meet in homes, caves, and so forth. It is estimated that Christians in China number about 150 million. Experts estimate that by 2050 China will be a majority Christian nation.

Here is a blog article I did on China. We may see the fall of the CHICOMs within the next ten years and a return to power of the Chinese Nationalists who have a viable party structure on Taiwan and who favor Christianity and democracy.

http://ronbosoldier.blogspot.com/2006/02/collapse-of-communism-in-china.html

What’s your opinion? I know you have said the CHICOMs are pretty much in control, but what about the views of the average Chinese? I’ve met a few Chinese businessmen in this country who wish the CHICOMS would disappear...”Very bad for business” said one Chinese guy.


40 posted on 02/16/2008 12:46:14 PM PST by thomasjefferson1215
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To: badguy2200

Urumqi (pictured above) is a CHINESE city (majority Han Chinese), not muslim. It’s an oasis admist the muslim cesspool.


41 posted on 02/16/2008 2:22:22 PM PST by charles m
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To: badguy2200

And just think what would have happened in the history of the world had the fat Friar the Pope sent along with Marco Polo and his uncles actually made it to Ghengis Khan, as the Khan requested, and converted him to Christianity?

I think the Friar chickened out on the trip somewhere in Eastern Turkey.


42 posted on 02/16/2008 2:26:03 PM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (Global warming is the new Marxism.)
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To: charles m

“Urumqi (pictured above) is a CHINESE city (majority Han Chinese), not muslim. It’s an oasis admist the muslim cesspool.”

Dude, can you say something Freepers like to hear? Such as China is going to collapse, China is an evil empire, the Chinese are a bunch of evil horde and etc..:)


43 posted on 02/16/2008 11:09:54 PM PST by steelboy
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To: steelboy

The Chinese are not evil, but the Leftards and Muzzies certainly are, as is well known and documented.

Freepers are the salt of the earth and hope of mankind.


44 posted on 02/17/2008 4:36:01 AM PST by thomasjefferson1215
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To: badguy2200
Just because it was a province of Han China does not make it ethnically Han Chinese.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Xinjiang
45 posted on 02/17/2008 3:09:03 PM PST by rmlew (Huckabee flip flops so much it makes Romney cringe)
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