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Mom: Police Told Daughter To Stop Calling Before Murder-Suicide
Local6 ^ | 2/18/08

Posted on 02/18/2008 4:53:01 PM PST by LibWhacker

'The Day She Died, She Knew She Couldn't Talk To Police,' Mom Says

DELAND, Fla. -- A Central Florida woman whose 17-year-old daughter was killed in a murder-suicide apparently committed by her ex-boyfriend said the teen was told by police to stop calling for help or she'd be arrested.

Police said Clay Coffner shot his estranged girlfriend, Natasha Hall, in the head outside her DeLand home Friday before turning the gun on himself.

Hall's mother, Sherry, said her daughter was concerned about Coffner and informed police.

In fact, Hall said her daughter called police so much that on Jan. 15 they threatened her.

"The police officer said if you call us one more time on him, I'm going to arrest you both," Sherry Hall said. "So, the day she died, she knew she couldn't talk to police. So, she handled it herself."

Michele Karpowicz said everyone noticed the warning signs before the homicide -- except police.

"I was going crazy," Hall's best friend said. "He was psycho, jealous and abusive."

Local 6 is trying to obtain a police call log to determine how many times the teen called police.

DeLand police officials have not responded to the allegations.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; beserkcop; boyfriend; calling; daughter; donutwatch; murdersuicide; police; rkba; stop
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To: LibWhacker
Here's the ex-boyfriend/killer's myspace page:

Clay Kufner's Myspace

He updated it the day he killed her and himself. In reading the details, he clearly was a threat and very obsessed.

41 posted on 02/18/2008 5:56:05 PM PST by inflorida
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To: LibWhacker

The sad fact is, police would often rather handle drug busts because they are time consuming and safe.


42 posted on 02/18/2008 5:59:54 PM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: L98Fiero
That was so good it deserves posting again:

You berate the police regardless of what they do or don’t do. You cry about how they are “jack-boots”, then fully expect them to arrest anyone who gets a complaint via 911. If they had arrested this guy before he had committed a crime, you a$$-wipes would be bitching about that too. The police aren’t personal bodyguards.

God, you freaking barker-lounger bad-asses make me sick.

43 posted on 02/18/2008 6:00:14 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: sport

What cite is that?


44 posted on 02/18/2008 6:00:18 PM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: L98Fiero
She needed to, first: buy a gun and learn to use it.

Then she needed to press charges and/or get a restraining order. If the boyfriend hasn't broken any law, there is nothing the cops can OR SHOULD do.

45 posted on 02/18/2008 6:04:48 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Hegemony Cricket
"...circa WWII."

Heroes like that don't exist anymore. Sad.

46 posted on 02/18/2008 6:05:12 PM PST by oprahstheantichrist (Stop calling them "liberals," they're Bolsheviks!)
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To: LibWhacker
Protect and Serve


47 posted on 02/18/2008 6:05:27 PM PST by montag813
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To: LdSentinal
Why didn?t the girl or her family get a restraining order?

Maybe for the same reasonHomocidal maniacs ignore Gun Free Zones signs.

Both are just worthless pieces of paper and neither will stop the criminalss.
48 posted on 02/18/2008 6:19:48 PM PST by RedMonqey
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To: glasseye
Here is a young Constitutional scholar studying her Second Amendment protections. Her weapon is nicknamed "Restraining Order" and the bullets are nicknamed "911 Calls."


49 posted on 02/18/2008 6:25:13 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: RedMonqey

Don’t get me started...


50 posted on 02/18/2008 6:30:50 PM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: oprahstheantichrist

Ehhh, I dunno about that. While I am extremely proud of my uncles and their service to this country, along with the millions of others who served and sacrificed in WWII, I know many others who were every bit as heroic in Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf, Beruit, Bosnia, Somolia, Afghanistan, Iraq, and several others I know I’ve missed, and probably some other places we will never know about. I personally know several young people who have joined the military in the past couple of years, knowing full-well what they are likely facing, and I can’t help but get a huge lump in my throat, and a tear in my eye, and be just as proud of them as I am of my uncles. True Americans rise to the need now, just as they did then...


51 posted on 02/18/2008 6:31:02 PM PST by Hegemony Cricket (IX-XI -- numquam didici)
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To: donna

What could the mom have done? The girl should have kept calling, and at least she would have been arrested and held in jail. It is absurd to think that is the only way, but at least she would have been in a safer situation. That judge that said the police have no duty to protect you, I would have asked “What are my tax dollars paying them to do”.


52 posted on 02/18/2008 6:37:24 PM PST by JBCiejka
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To: San Jacinto

I wonder where her father was...or a brother or relative. Heck, my mother wouldn’t have just done nothing.

Poor girl.


53 posted on 02/18/2008 6:37:48 PM PST by jch10
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To: bshomoic

Not likely. Sounds like a bunch of doughnut eaters in fact. Busy men who should not ordinarily be bothered by phonecalls.


54 posted on 02/18/2008 6:41:36 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: L98Fiero

Well said.


55 posted on 02/18/2008 6:50:52 PM PST by Judith Anne (I have no idea what to put here. Not a clue.)
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To: RedMonqey
Both are just worthless pieces of paper and neither will stop the criminalss.

Really? A co-worker of mine said her ex got sent to jail for violating her restraining order.

56 posted on 02/18/2008 6:51:39 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: San Jacinto

You bet.


57 posted on 02/18/2008 7:13:24 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Judith Anne

Quite the contrary. If you’ll check her history, you’ll find her to be a knee-jerk cop groupie, who thinks that badged goons can do no wrong.


58 posted on 02/18/2008 7:16:07 PM PST by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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To: Eagles6
You are responsible for your own safety.

Amen, brother. It's part of being self reliant and personally responsibile that all should learn.

59 posted on 02/18/2008 7:19:36 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: LibWhacker

One crucial fact that’s missing from the story: what did the police do the first X number of times she called, before they threatened to arrest her for calling too much?

If they had come to her house numerous times, only to be told each time that they had “made up”, I can understand them not wanting to come back, although if that had happened enough times one would think that there would be some method by which the two could be separated.

On the other hand, if the police did nothing the first 20 times she called, and told her they’d arrest her on the 21st, there’s a big problem.

Also, where were this poor girl’s parents?


60 posted on 02/18/2008 7:24:16 PM PST by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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