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1 posted on 02/19/2008 7:35:12 PM PST by djf
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LOL

Alaska has voted (or tried to anyway), twice, to secede from the USofA.

Some points

The Alaskan Independence Party is the state's third largest political party with about 17,798 registered members, elections records show. It was formed in 1970 to advocate that Alaska secede from the union. A lot of folks were pissed off over the FedGov denial of an Trans-Alaska Oil pipeline at the time - sound familiar? In this case, the Teamsters saved the day.

From Canada
Alaska - Some Canadians and Alaskans have discussed the possibility of the state of Alaska seceding from the United States and joining Canada under an autonomy plan allowing for a U.S. sphere of influence. This is comparable to what some Quebec separatists have advocated for in the past (sovereignty-association, Quebec Autonomism).

The issue has been discussed on various fora, such as that for the Alaska Independence Party forum, which claims Alaska as the "lost province". However, no formal movement in favor of this proposal exists, nor does any political party currently advocate it.

The reality of course is not as fun
From http://www.alaskabar.org/ada.CFM?ID=6428&subpage=1

Recently, in Kohlhaas v. State, our supreme court addressed whether Alaskans would ever get the chance to vote on making this dream a reality. The short answer was: "No." The long answer from the court (and I paraphrase) was: "Are you crazy? Do any of you people remember the Civil War and the 630,000 casualties? Much as we, as members of the court, would like sovereignty, we have seen the 'shock and awe' of the Federal military, and we can hear the buzz of a drone over the court right now as it warms up a Hellfire missile, and we'd rather not give the federal government any reason to test the missile resistance of the courthouse roof."

Well, the court did not say that, but that is what the court meant. Here is what it really said. In Kohlhaas, the Alaska Supreme Court affirmed the invalidation of a ballot initiative submitted by Mr. Kohlhaas to the Lieutenant Governor. The initiative itself indisputably met all procedural requirements to be placed on the ballot, including obtaining the necessary signatures. (Getting people to sign a piece of paper is not a problem. Getting those same people to throw a Molotov cocktail at an M-1 Abrams tank; whole different story).

59 posted on 02/19/2008 8:20:16 PM PST by ASOC (Tagline free for months and still going (Oh, wait........))
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I moved to Montana for just this reason. Just keep the Rainbow Libs, and RINOs out. Sadly the libs have discovered central Montana. They think Flathead Lake is wonderful. The locals are not so impressed.

Semper Paratus!

Gunner


61 posted on 02/19/2008 8:21:54 PM PST by weps4ret (Things the make you go; Hmmmmmmm?)
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I guess I’ll enjoy living in Montana...


62 posted on 02/19/2008 8:22:15 PM PST by Gritty (Piss on golf. Real Americans go to the range. - LTC Dave Grossman, Self-Defense Expert)
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Interesting. Have they filed and amicus brief? It could make a difference. If they haven’t it’s all talk.


66 posted on 02/19/2008 8:27:06 PM PST by CaptRon (Pedicaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: djf; Kolokotronis

Just get in touch with the EU. They’’ll give you some pointers.


75 posted on 02/19/2008 8:46:21 PM PST by MarMema (kosovo will always be Serbian)
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Woo hoo!!

Big City
Merle Haggard

I’m tired of this dirty old city.
Entirely too much work and never enough play.
And I’m tired of these dirty old sidewalks.
Think I’ll walk off my steady job today.

Turn me loose, set me free, somewhere in the middle of Montanna.
And gimme all I got comin’ to me,
And keep your retirement and your so called social security.
Big City turn me loose and set me free.

Been working everyday since I was twenty.
Haven’t got a thing to show for anything I’ve done.
There’s folks who never work and they’ve got plenty.
Think it’s time some guys like me had some fun.

Turn me loose, set me free, somewhere in the middle of Montanna.
And gimme all I got comin’ to me,
And keep your retirement and your so called social security.
Big City turn me loose and set me free.


76 posted on 02/19/2008 8:46:27 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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I guarantee everyone that the SC is not going to rule against the 2A with regards to individual right.

They don't care if it is an individual right or not so long as they can continue to enacted "reasonable restriction"

The Supremes are gonna toss us a bone and conservatives are gonna get excited, but the real outcome is that reasonable restriction will still be inplace.

The sheep will be placated and that's the end of that.

77 posted on 02/19/2008 8:46:30 PM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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Montana has finally figured out a way to become densely populated?


79 posted on 02/19/2008 8:56:28 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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bttt


85 posted on 02/19/2008 9:12:42 PM PST by nicmarlo
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I’ll help build “THE FENCE”. Let me know when it warms up a bit.


86 posted on 02/19/2008 9:14:57 PM PST by wizr ("Give me liberty, or give me death." - Patrick Henry)
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THANKS.

Fascinating.

I hope they make a LOT more noise about this.


87 posted on 02/19/2008 9:20:08 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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I haven't found one reference to the 14th A. in this thread so far (corrections welcome). The reason that the 14th A. must be mentioned in any meaningful discussion concerning the 2nd A. is as follows.

John Bingham, the main author of Sec. 1 of the 14th A., included the 2nd A. when he referenced the first eight amendments as examples of constitutional statutes containing privileges and immunities that the 14th A. applied to the states. So there is no doubt in my mind that the 2nd and 14th Amendments protect the personal right to keep and bear arms from both the federal and state governments as much as any other constitutional privilege and immunity protects other personal rights.

See the 2nd A. in the middle column of the following page from the Congressional Globe, a precursor to the Congressional Record.

http://tinyurl.com/y3ne4n
Note that the referenced page is dated for more than two years after the 14th A. was ratified. So Bingham was evidently reassuring his colleagues about the scope and purpose of the ratified 14th Amendment.

So bear in mind that what DC v Heller is essentially testing is how corrupt the Supreme Court is.

89 posted on 02/19/2008 9:40:50 PM PST by Amendment10
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Rather than seceding, if the Court rules the wrong way and says that the 2nd is a “collective” right, then the legislature there should declare each person between the ages of 16 and 80 to be members of the state militia, subject to annual call-up. They should be required to show up bearing their own personal M4, M16, M14 or M249 (all full auto weapons). When the governor signs the bill, you now would have a few hundred thousand people eligible to purchase brand-new full autos.


92 posted on 02/19/2008 9:53:42 PM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation trying to stop Monica's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife from becoming President)
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It’s definitely an option. Depending on the outcome, I may move there too.


98 posted on 02/19/2008 10:38:40 PM PST by NRA2BFree ("The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves!")
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Thanks for the post. A toast to Montana and the wise men and women who decided to negotiate with the US federal government and choose to use plain language in their State Constitution!
102 posted on 02/19/2008 11:07:31 PM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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Nothing succeeds like secession....


103 posted on 02/19/2008 11:10:48 PM PST by tracer
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When I first saw this a little while ago I got distraught.


110 posted on 02/19/2008 11:36:40 PM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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The court must decide in Heller whether the Second Amendment secures a right for individuals to keep and bear arms or merely grants states the power to arm their militias, the National Guard.

The National Guard is not a militia in the usage of the Constitution. Although articles on the history of the National Guard say that it has been around for 370 years, it did not, as an organization, exist at the time the Constitution was written.
The term 'National Guard' was first adopted by a New York militia unit in 1825 to honor the Marquis de Lafayette, hero of the American Revolution and former commander of the Guarde Nationale de Paris during the French Revolution.
And although individual states' militias may have been transformed into more independent, self-perpetuating organizations receiving state funding that were later known as the "National Guard", it doesn't follow that that is what the Constitution is referring to as the "militia" because the Constitution was written before any such later developments.
112 posted on 02/20/2008 12:01:39 AM PST by aruanan
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We live in interesting times.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

119 posted on 02/20/2008 5:40:52 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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If this happened, it would be an effortless Free State Project.


124 posted on 02/20/2008 6:14:02 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (I wish my old tagline could have defeated even more RINOs than it did.)
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