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Pilots Asleep in the Cockpit?
Fox KC ^ | Wednesday, 20 Feb 2008

Posted on 02/20/2008 7:26:35 PM PST by Straight Vermonter

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To: Straight Vermonter

Nothing can go wrong, go wrong, go wrong....


21 posted on 02/20/2008 8:06:31 PM PST by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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22 posted on 02/20/2008 8:07:09 PM PST by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: chadwimc

>>15 miles in a jet is the blink of an eye...<<

Well, actually it’s a bit less than 3 minutes. Also, you don’t wait ‘till you’re over the airport to start down. They were probably at 20,000 or less. That means that they’d start down at 40-60 miles from the field.


23 posted on 02/20/2008 8:21:26 PM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: Straight Vermonter; Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Geez, couldn’t they take turns napping?? And per post 18 it was a very short flight anyway.


24 posted on 02/20/2008 8:37:05 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Straight Vermonter

I have heard of this by cross country freighters. They put it on auto pilot and fall asleep. They wake up over the Pacific Ocean.


25 posted on 02/20/2008 8:46:17 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: QBFimi

OK, now that I’m retired, here’s the real story: Did we ever sleep in the cockpit? Yes; here’s how it worked:

Say I’m getting heavy eyelids enroute (at cruise altitude). The sensible approach: I turn to the other pilot and say “Bob, are you feeling OK?” If he says “yes”, I say “can you take (i.e. talk on) the radios and fly for a few minutes? I’m going to lean my chair back.”

If he says “I’m feeling really wiped out”, you figure out who is the worse off; that person gets up, stretches his legs, goes to the john, washes his face, gets a coffee, etc. The other person toughs it out ‘till he gets back, then does the same.

The dumb approach: You try to fake it. Result - BOTH of you end up in Zombie land. I suspect that’s what happened here.

How long a snooze? In most cases, it took about 5 minutes and you were feeling fine again. In 30 years of airline flying (+ 4 years flying the big jets in the Air Force) it never took over 20-25 minutes of shuteye.

What gets you that tired? Long days? Nope. Scheduling. One day you start work at 5:00 AM, the next at 10:00 PM. There’s no way you can prepare your body for that extreme kind of biorhythm change.

My experience level: Type rated in B-707/720/737/757/767 with about 16,000 hours total flight time. Lotsa east-west globe circling as a DC-8 copilot.


26 posted on 02/20/2008 8:51:59 PM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: Fiddlstix; potlatch; devolve; PhilDragoo; y'all

Rut-Roh, Reorge !! :^O

LOL!


27 posted on 02/20/2008 9:13:31 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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I know there's a McCain joke in here somewhere...


28 posted on 02/20/2008 10:35:36 PM PST by Slings and Arrows ("Those who surrender personal liberty for lower global temperatures will receive neither."--weegee)
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To: Slings and Arrows

I figgered it more likely they were busy acting out the Obama-Larry Sinclair episode.


29 posted on 02/20/2008 10:36:42 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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Playing with their joysticks?


30 posted on 02/20/2008 10:58:08 PM PST by Slings and Arrows ("Those who surrender personal liberty for lower global temperatures will receive neither."--weegee)
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To: chadwimc

When your eyes are shut, make sure they blink.


32 posted on 02/21/2008 5:51:07 AM PST by U S Army EOD (Say Cheese.)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Otto was awake though.


33 posted on 02/21/2008 5:55:36 AM PST by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: dighton; Straight Vermonter; AnAmericanMother; Paleo Conservative; Billthedrill
Were they taking Ambien?

Jack Nicholson quote:

“I warned him (Keith Ledger) about Ambien. I took it once and somebody called me in the middle of the night and I woke up in my car 50 yards from my house. I almost drove off a cliff. I didn’t know where I was. Ambien can get you. Not through excessive use, it’s just some people react more strongly than others.”

34 posted on 02/21/2008 8:11:43 AM PST by aculeus
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To: Straight Vermonter
Trains are being equipped with an anti-sleeping alarm that goes off every so often and must be acknowledged within a certain time (ten seconds or so) or it engages the brakes.

I don't know if something similar could be developed for airliners. (Yes, I realize this is an airplane and not a train, which is why I used the word "similar".)

35 posted on 02/21/2008 8:16:22 AM PST by TChris ("if somebody agrees with me 70% of the time, rather than 100%, that doesn’t make him my enemy." -RR)
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