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More problems surfacing in Haditha trials [Latest from the motion hearings]
North County Times ^ | February 21, 2008 | Mark Walker

Posted on 02/21/2008 2:46:41 AM PST by RedRover

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1 posted on 02/21/2008 2:46:44 AM PST by RedRover
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To: RedRover

“In a sign of further court battles ahead, Wuterich’s lead attorney, Neal Puckett, told Meeks that Tatum may not testify at all, prompting the judge the question whether Tatum may be charged with failure to follow an order requiring his testimony.”

So they’ve ordered him to testify against another marine knowing his testimony will be used against him when his trial starts.

These aren’t trails, they are debacles and witch hunts. The only crime is what is being done to these marines.


2 posted on 02/21/2008 2:51:59 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: driftdiver

I hope gannon chokes on the bile he is using to prosecute these soldiers.


3 posted on 02/21/2008 2:54:21 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: freeangel

I suggest Gannon would be better utilized searching for IEDs.


4 posted on 02/21/2008 2:59:24 AM PST by driftdiver
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5 posted on 02/21/2008 3:12:59 AM PST by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: RedRover
His attorneys are expected to ask their judge today to compel U.S. Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., to answer their questions about who briefed him about the Haditha incident.

Murtha created a firestorm when he appeared on several TV news shows shortly after the Haditha incident came to light in early 2006 and said the Marines had gone on a rampage and "killed innocent civilians in cold blood."

I would venture to say that Murtha, a high ranking political official, is the wellspring of the entire incident. High ranking military officers always endeavor to please the sources of funding for the Department of Defense. The accusations and action against the marines spread like wildfire down the chain of command as a direct result of Murtha's public statements.

IMO, it is imperative to this case to have Murtha testify as to the credibility of the witnesses who gave him cause to falsely accuse our marines!

6 posted on 02/21/2008 3:52:52 AM PST by olezip
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To: driftdiver

How can a judge order Tatum to testify and prosecute him for not testifying? Would that not violate his Fifth Amendment privileges?


7 posted on 02/21/2008 4:03:17 AM PST by writmeister
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To: writmeister
He could be compelled to appear but could also refuse to answer specific questions claiming his Fifth Amendment rights.
8 posted on 02/21/2008 4:14:19 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!; writmeister

Seems like it would be pretty easy to get any military member to appear. Give them an order and they show up. Perhaps their commanders are preventing them from appearing???

I read it as they are appearing but aren’t saying what he wants them to. Perhaps he should write their testimony out for them. That seems to be what he wants.


9 posted on 02/21/2008 4:20:15 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: RedRover

The prosecutors should be lined up against the wall and shot.


10 posted on 02/21/2008 4:29:37 AM PST by samtheman (McCain: Not as good as a real Republican, not as bad as a real Democrat.)
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To: olezip

“IMO, it is imperative to this case to have Murtha testify as to the credibility of the witnesses who gave him cause to falsely accuse our marines!”

Why? He would only lie. That POS deserves to be strapped to the front end of a Patriot missile. Better yet, a tow target for AA’s to shoot at.


11 posted on 02/21/2008 5:02:29 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1 - Take no prisoners))
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To: RedRover

“There are a lot of inconsistencies in their testimony.”

That hasn’t prevented the prosecution from seating other witnesses.


12 posted on 02/21/2008 5:06:09 AM PST by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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To: RedRover

The only crime, here, is the way these Marines are being treated. These armchair field commanders, sitting in their plush offices, far from the action, are subjecting to painstaking scrutiny the decisions made in an instant in the heat of battle, on an ill defined battlefield, against a nearly impossible to identify enemy.
Sorry, this whole process smells to high heaven.

The right and proper path is to dismiss all these trumped up charges, and prosecute Murtha and his ilk for lending aid and comfort to the enemy by bringing specious charges against these front line troops.

Lock and Load.


13 posted on 02/21/2008 5:08:06 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion)
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To: RedRover

Don’t you just love it when a lowlife U.S. Representative (Not a Senator) has more power than the POTUS ?..Power to make or break a military investigation?..

Murtha should be put on the stand and grilled, bent, folded and stapled til his ears fall off !..Same fop DOD Winters and his assistant..

As for Marines being ‘compelled’ to testify?..No way, they still have the 5th Amendment to protect them, and probably some have faulty or hazy memories of what happened...

This trial is the legal equivalent of Nifong vs Duke LaCrosse Players...dirty, corrupt, influenced by powerful higher-ups, a mockery of over 250 years of military Rules of Engagement, an abuse of legal power, and a threat to every military person in uniform, and ultimately to every American citizen as more of our Freedoms is torn away...

The charges should be dismissed and DOD Winters should be compelled to write a letter of apology to each of the defendants. In addition, they should receive their combat medals rightfully earned, promoted and given retroactive pay raises since this trial has put all of their careers on hond- another great injustice...


14 posted on 02/21/2008 5:37:44 AM PST by billmor (God Bless Out Troops and Gold Star moms and dads)
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To: RedRover; brityank; jazusamo; Girlene; Brian Rooney; pissant; P-Marlowe
On Wednesday, Chessani's attorneys also asked the judge, Col. Steven Folsom, to dismiss the charges, saying he has been targeted unfairly. Chessani reported the civilian deaths to higher-ups who determined no investigation was necessary, attorney Robert Muse said. "Everyone throughout the chain of command knew what happened, yet Colonel Chessani is the only one being prosecuted," Muse said.

This is clearly "selective prosecution" as the defense has claimed.

Attempting to dissect a combat action and assess culpability really is a gross violation of Trust between our country and our soldiers ONCE it is determined that they were in a firefight with the enemy.

There is no way that anyone could ever understand the split-second decisions made in the midst of trying to stay alive...especially in urban warfare. Even the participants themselves shouldn't be forced to defend themselves based on their memories. Little things, emotions, fears, suspicions, 6th and 7th sense intuitions -- how in the world can a man ever reconstruct that?

This prosecution is an awful violation of Trust, a supreme act of disloyalty toward these men, a stain on the integrity of our nation, and clear evidence that there is an elitist divide between our governmental bureaucracy and the men and women who serve. They do see them as expendable for their own political purposes.

I'm ashamed of Congress, the DoD, the Marine Corps and the nation for what they're doing to these men.

15 posted on 02/21/2008 6:40:19 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: RedRover
Gannon told the military judge, Lt. Col. Jeffrey Meeks, that repeated attempts to interview Tatum since he was ordered to cooperate with the prosecution have been unsuccessful.

Awwwww. Maybe LCpl Tatum is just a little busy getting ready for his own trial? Why would LCpl Tatum want to help the prosecutors? They "say" he has immunity, but if he doesn't testify he will be charged with failure to follow an order requiring his testimony. That doesn't sound very friendly. If Tatum doesn't give the prosecutors the testimony they want, will they threaten him with obstruction or dereliction or some other such nonsense? The "I don't recall" testimony is quite popular these days.
16 posted on 02/21/2008 6:41:53 AM PST by Girlene
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To: xzins; RedRover; jazusamo; Girlene; Brian Rooney; pissant; P-Marlowe
They do see them as expendable for their own political purposes.

"Grudging witnesses" -- I'm not surprised. NCIS and these prosecutors have, on record by both commission and omission, abused their mandates and forever sullied the positions they hold. We expect differences of opinion and even tactics, but to willfully mis-state and consciously mislead defense witnesses, while giving full credence and value to insurgent propaganda violates the sanctity of the UCMJ and the judicial process.

These cases were brought under political mandate to salve the opprobrium of washed-up, self-aggrandizing policy makers in both the Congress and the Administration. Blaming the hammer for hitting your thumb instead of the nail makes you look foolish and totally inept.

Thanks for the follow-up, Red; maybe we're starting to see a (dim) light down this long, dank, tunnel.

17 posted on 02/21/2008 7:53:40 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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"Everyone throughout the chain of command knew what happened, yet Colonel Chessani is the only one being prosecuted," Muse said.

Well, sure - - Chessani was the designated scapegoat.

18 posted on 02/21/2008 7:58:06 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: RedRover
If you would like to help with the civilian lawyer’s legal fees for the
Haditha Marines you can do so by going to these sites.

SSgt. Frank Wuterich

Lance Cpl. Stephen B. Tatum

1st Lt. Andrew Grayson

Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani

Defend Our Marines


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19 posted on 02/21/2008 8:13:17 AM PST by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: jazusamo

Thank you.


20 posted on 02/21/2008 4:18:37 PM PST by EverOnward
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