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Ron Paul is the Military's Candidate? (analysis of campaign contribs) (vanity)
FEC Campaign Data at Open Secrets ^ | 2/21/2008 | self

Posted on 02/21/2008 6:18:29 PM PST by markomalley

On a couple of other boards, I have heard the allegation that "Ron Paul is the Military's Candidate." I always figured it to be your typical overblown hyperbole...

So I decided to research the numbers, in order to blow away the conspiracy theory. There's no way that he could be the leading candidate for military contributors...right?

Well, I went to the FEC Contributions Database that is maintained by opensecrets.org...the numbers I came up with were both surprising and very, very disturbing.

First of all, the methodology:

What I found was that the Paul folks were right! Both the number of individual contributions (372) and the amount contributed ($167K), far outstripped the other candidates checked. In comparison, McCain only had 110 contributions for $50K.

The disturbing part of this was that the runner up to Ron Paul wasn't McCain, it was Obama (172 contributions for $77K)! That was a shock!



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KEYWORDS: 2008; donors; marines; militaryvote; ronpaul
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To: squidly
but I have and will call him a kook.

Would a kook write about all this:

RON PAUL LIBRARY

When was the last time you heard an elected official openly talking about our sovereignty and getting out of the UN?

21 posted on 02/21/2008 6:32:28 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Thank you, Mike Huckabee, for giving us John McCain)
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To: wideawake
Paulestinians and Obamaniacs encourage people to claim that they are soldiers, sailors, marines, aviators, etc. It's good propaganda, that's all.

There is an entire subculture of leftists in this country who make their living by falsely claiming to war veterans.

That is an observation that I really hadn't considered...but how do you prove it?

22 posted on 02/21/2008 6:33:02 PM PST by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: wideawake
His own words demonstrate that he is a terrorist sympathizer and a kook.

That's your perception on what he said. What he actually said contradicts your views.

23 posted on 02/21/2008 6:33:33 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Thank you, Mike Huckabee, for giving us John McCain)
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To: markomalley

Did you control for the number of non-military people who would lie and say they are in the military?


24 posted on 02/21/2008 6:34:40 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: markomalley

$167000 / 372 contributors = about $450 per military person. Either my math is off or our current military heroes/heroines (and they are) have a lot more disposable income than I did - or they are very passionate about Dr No.


25 posted on 02/21/2008 6:34:45 PM PST by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .....)
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To: markomalley

If your research is correct, no other conclusion is possible: when putting their money where their mouth is, a plurality, maybe even a majority, of the U.S. military are card-carrying Paultards.

They, with their world-wide first-hand experience with U.S. policy up close and personal, seem to disagree strongly with the neo-con keyboard brigades on the wisdom of pretending we can run the world.

I realise this is harsh but the criticism of Ron Paul on this site has often been petty, silly or faintly rediculous (about what many here would say of Paul’s foreign policy).


26 posted on 02/21/2008 6:35:02 PM PST by a_different_conservative
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To: markomalley
These numbers are self reported,by the Ron Paul campaign, and does not indicate a military endorsement...If you are active duty, using your position or rank to endorse a political candidate is forbidden.

Consider the source and take it with a grain of salt.

Yes, there are people in the Military do like Obama. They are not obvious about it.


27 posted on 02/21/2008 6:37:22 PM PST by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: South40
RuPaul's biggest obstacle to getting the nomination is he's a certifiable nutjob.

Well, he's not going to get the nomination thanks to the GOP establishment that refuses to yield for change and an apathetic voting public that craves statism. So you can breathe easier now.

Now please explain what makes Dr. Paul a kook. This word has been casually tossed around at Dr. Paul, as if it came from leftists instead of FReepers who were taught how to recognize liberal BS.

It matters not who contributes to his campaign, he's still a kook.

Ordinary Americans who still believe in freedom and the Constitution contributed to Dr. Paul. Now go ahead and call the 150,000+ Paul donors, especially those who dumped $6 million in one day to Paul's campaign, a bunch of white supremacists and kooks.

28 posted on 02/21/2008 6:37:48 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Thank you, Mike Huckabee, for giving us John McCain)
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To: Larry Lucido
Did you control for the number of non-military people who would lie and say they are in the military?

As I said before, no. This was very broad brush (and did include DA, DAF, DON civilians...). If you can give me a method to weed out fakes (one that I can do quickly), I'd be happy to do so.

29 posted on 02/21/2008 6:39:19 PM PST by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: markomalley; Allegra

To follow up on #24, did you check the contributors individually to see if they are really in the military? Are are you just assuming, as I alluded in #24, that everyone is telling the truth?

Have in instituted an actual study of active duty military to see what the depth of support for Paul is?

I mean, that is quite a bold headline for such a shallow-assed study.


30 posted on 02/21/2008 6:40:13 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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let freedom ping.ping.ping.ping.


31 posted on 02/21/2008 6:40:22 PM PST by CJ Wolf (The Ron Paul - Let Freedom Ping list - freepmail me to be on it.)
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To: darkwing104

Giving money to a candidate didn’t constitute an endorsement, last time I looked.


32 posted on 02/21/2008 6:40:39 PM PST by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .....)
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To: markomalley
That is an observation that I really hadn't considered...but how do you prove it?

The famous book Stolen Valor proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the fake veteran subculture exists.

And you really can write anything you want on an FEC form. Every election cycle sees donations made by foreign nationals claiming to be US citizens, such august individuals as Seymour Butts and Ben Dover making donations, etc.

Plenty of people make donations listing a different employer because they don't want their employer to know who they are contributing to: i.e. Jim Jones who works at Acme has a supervisor who is a gung-ho leftist and is afraid that if he donates as Jim Jones of Acme his boss will find out - so he donates as Jim Jones of Worldwide International instead.

33 posted on 02/21/2008 6:41:12 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: markomalley

Did your study control for the number of veterans who are plumbers, doctors, lawyers, electricians, etc., who would report those occupations instead of, say, “former military”?

Did it control for reservists who put their full-time occupation, and not their part-time military status?

Didn’t think so.


34 posted on 02/21/2008 6:41:59 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido
Check my post #27.


35 posted on 02/21/2008 6:42:03 PM PST by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
That's your perception on what he said. What he actually said contradicts your views.

Thanks. I hadn't considered the possibility that Paul speaks a non-English language whose lexicon is - by coincidence - entirely homonymic with standard English, so that the words he speaks sound like English words but have different meanings altogether.

36 posted on 02/21/2008 6:43:43 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: tgusa
Giving money to a candidate didn’t constitute an endorsement, last time I looked.

I didn't say it was...I saw this same dog and pony show from the "Military for Kerry" facade in 2004.


37 posted on 02/21/2008 6:45:45 PM PST by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: tgusa
Giving money to a candidate didn’t constitute an endorsement, last time I looked.

They're not giving Dr. Paul money for charity there bub.

If they're donating to him, they endorse him and his message, no different than Bush holding $2,300-a-plate fundraisers.

38 posted on 02/21/2008 6:45:57 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Thank you, Mike Huckabee, for giving us John McCain)
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To: darkwing104; markomalley

Yep. And yet, the presumptuous headline remains. Seems I read something about this in “How to lie with statistics.”


39 posted on 02/21/2008 6:46:27 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido
I am in the Navy and a guy I work with was googling his name when he was bored and found his name on the Ron Paul list of military donors. I know for a fact this guy never contributed a dime. I don’t believe that Ron Paul is the military choice because I know many people in all branched and not one of them would vote for Ron Paul.
40 posted on 02/21/2008 6:47:48 PM PST by Hoosiersailor
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