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Should college campuses be gun free zones?
Helium Blog ^ | 2/23/08 | Self

Posted on 02/23/2008 10:04:40 PM PST by Tahts-a-dats-ago

Tread carefully all ye citizens, lest the leg-irons of socialism cripple the foundation of freedom ye so eagerly bind with infringing intent. Our schools and Universities are sad examples of a populace willing to cast yesterday's freedoms into the waste bin of lore. Guaranteed rights are scorned as the enlightened elite tell us we have little need for freedom of speech, religion, or self protection.

Nowhere is this more evident than in our centers for educational edification; as freedom of thought is often discouraged in lieu of a presumed superiority one supposedly found only in the tenets of Marxism. Quashing rights isn't a new discovery, nor is it normally sold in a manner retaining a likeness to reality. Instead we're sold a bill of goods as we fasten link after link to our chains of servitude, while succumbing to the false promise that this time, socialism will work. It never does work as promised though it's fantastic if the goal is deprivation of freedom and, seemingly, we the people never learn this lesson as we stridently march from citizen to subject.

As some fervently work to disarm the populace, supposedly under the guise of security, one has to wonder if these same people dare apply their own logic in their domain.

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1 posted on 02/23/2008 10:04:42 PM PST by Tahts-a-dats-ago
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To: Tahts-a-dats-ago

Gun-free zones are a magnet to mass-murderers.


2 posted on 02/23/2008 10:13:04 PM PST by Mogollon (Vote straight GOP for congress....our only protection against Obama-Clinton, or McCain.)
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To: Tahts-a-dats-ago

That’s about as effective as making them idiot free zones.


3 posted on 02/23/2008 10:16:54 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Mogollon

ping


4 posted on 02/23/2008 10:17:16 PM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: Tahts-a-dats-ago
"Should college campuses be gun free zones?

I love the liberal mind. They are saying that a mass murderer, who will kill as many people as he can in cold blood wouldnt dare violate a gun control law like a "gun free zone". I mean, murdering as many people as you can is one thing, but who would step over the line and violate a "gun free zone" law?

Well no one would of course. Brilliant!

5 posted on 02/23/2008 10:19:22 PM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Tahts-a-dats-ago

I have mixed feelings. Constitutionally, every one has a right to bear arms. Yet, I am uncomfortable with the idea that everyone should be allowed to carry on campus. Pervasive use of drugs and alcohol being my major concern. The fact that “children” are not becoming “adults” as early as they once did being another.

Feel free to convince me.


6 posted on 02/23/2008 10:21:30 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Tahts-a-dats-ago

Gun free zone... another name for liberal fantasy land.


7 posted on 02/23/2008 10:27:52 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: Tahts-a-dats-ago; All
The following article concerns a gun-related incident that took place on a Virginia campus a few years before last year's VT tragedy. The article indicates that the renegade student was stopped by other students who had locked guns in their cars. In fact, the other students were able to disarm the renegade student before the police arrived at the scene.
http://freestudents.blogspot.com/2007/04/when-mass-killers-meet-armed-resistance.html
Also, despite our 2nd A. protections, the Swiss have distinguished themselves as leaders in integrating firearms management into their culture, effectively reducing crime.
http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/articles/guns-crime-swiss.html

8 posted on 02/23/2008 10:32:07 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: sageb1

I don’t recall anyone saying that everyone should carry. Not everyone can get or should get a CCP.


9 posted on 02/23/2008 10:32:07 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: Tahts-a-dats-ago

Sure. Let’s let them be mass slaughter zones instead.


10 posted on 02/23/2008 10:39:31 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: GregoTX

LOL.....that has been exactly my position on this issue. It’s crazy to think that a person not deterred from committing murder can be deterred from violating gun laws.


11 posted on 02/23/2008 10:40:59 PM PST by LaurenD
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To: sageb1

The person whose mind is so altered that they are going to commit murder, is going to do so, regardless of gun free zone signs posted.


12 posted on 02/23/2008 10:43:02 PM PST by LaurenD
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To: Kirkwood

I have a permit to carry and do so all the time. I have to be very careful because my wife is a teacher. If she takes my vehicle to work I have to make sure that I don’t have one of my permitted firearms stashed inside. If I go to pick her up for lunch I can’t drive into the parking lot, I have to pick her up out on the street.
All of this and I have never managed to kill anyone. If I saw someone using a deadly weapon in a manner I thought would cause great harm of death I would be on that school campus in a heart beat. My wife is there and so is my son.
In other words if things got bad I would ignore these stupid laws too.
A gun free zone is nothing more than providing an unchallenged free fire zone for bad guys. These laws are stupid and have gotten many people killed.


13 posted on 02/23/2008 10:51:38 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: Amendment10

Thanks for the links.


14 posted on 02/23/2008 10:51:40 PM PST by Tahts-a-dats-ago
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To: Tahts-a-dats-ago

Well, they’re already learning-free zones, and truth-free zones, and free-speech-free zones...why not?


15 posted on 02/23/2008 11:04:00 PM PST by americanophile
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To: GregoTX
I love the liberal mind. They are saying that a mass murderer, who will kill as many people as he can in cold blood wouldnt dare violate a gun control law like a "gun free zone". I mean, murdering as many people as you can is one thing, but who would step over the line and violate a "gun free zone" law?

It's the typical liberal arrogance that assumes that designating it a "gun free zone" is going to magically assure that there won't be any guns there. If they don't have the power to protect you by actually making it a "gun-free zone" in reality, then they don't have the right to disarm you so that you can't do it yourself. If they're going to impose an absolute limitation on your ability to defend yourself then they should be prepared to assume an absolute responsibility to do it for you. If they can't do it for you, they don't have any business telling you you're not allowed to do it for yourself.

16 posted on 02/23/2008 11:06:45 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Tahts-a-dats-ago
"Any comments..."

I have a friend who is a radio commentator here in Fairbanks who prefers to refer to "gun free zones" as "Target Rich Environments" instead.

If you're willing to do a little Internet Research, I seem to recall a woman who testified before Congress a few years ago and several State Legislatures thereafter regarding Concealed Carry Weapons (CCW) Permit Legislation that was proposed before several State Legislatures.

If I recall (and I could get some of the facts wrong so please do verify), she used to carry a handgun but one day she had an appointment to have Lunch with her parents in a Restaurant in Killeen, Texas. Yep, you guessed it; they were in a little place call Luby's Restaurant. She decided to obey the law and removed her pistol from her purse and locked it in the trunk of her car before she and her parents entered the restaurant. Shortly thereafter a man who was shortly to become famous (or infamous) drove his vehicle through the front window of the restaurant and then got out of hte vehicle with a gun in hand and proceeded to start killing the patrons.

According to later testimony, she reached for her pistol only to remember that she'd left it in the trunk of her car. She watched helplessly as the psychopath proceeded to walk ever closer to her table. I believe her father decided to 'rush' the gunman and try to save his wife and daughter but wa shot down for his attempt. The gunman then shot her mother and would have shot her as well but that's when the police arrived and ended his shooting rampage. She lived but her father and mother were the last two people to die in that massacre and she could have stopped it had she kept the pistol in her purse!

When you decide to declare someplace like that a "gun free zone" (or if you prefer, a "target rich environment"), the psychopaths will know that very likely there will be no one to stop them until the police arrive. That means that a whole lot of people are going to die unless someone decides to break the law and "carry" in defiance of the law.

I think the law needs to be changed to allow CCW - that's the only way that safety of the ordinary citizenry can be assured!

17 posted on 02/23/2008 11:13:45 PM PST by Friend_from_the_Frozen_North (If you are, as Rush would say, "A Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance" don't waste my time...)
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To: Tahts-a-dats-ago

If that guy out in Reno was raping and killing the professors instead of just the students you better believe that the school would be advocating that everyone take advantage of Nevada’s open carry laws.


18 posted on 02/23/2008 11:15:51 PM PST by fella (Is he al-taquiya or is he murtadd? Only his iman knows for sure.)
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To: tacticalogic
Instead of making it a "gun free" zone, why not make it a "crime free" zone, that the school will be free of not only gun violence, but they would be free from all crimes such as theft, assault, drugs, even rape. Wouldnt that be nice? If declaring the school to be a "gun free" zone would make the school free from gun violence, why not just make it a safe zone from ALL crime with the same declaration?
19 posted on 02/23/2008 11:17:06 PM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Tahts-a-dats-ago
VA Tech was a gun free zone. That worked real well.
20 posted on 02/23/2008 11:19:21 PM PST by Myrddin
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