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Specter irked by uncooperative Pats, league in Spygate probe
ESPN.com ^ | 2/22/08 | Mike Fish

Posted on 02/25/2008 5:09:26 AM PST by Hatteras

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To: Richard Kimball

People are assuming that there is more to this story than what has come out.

Let me ask a direct and simple question:

Is it spying if you stand out in the open and do it?


41 posted on 02/25/2008 8:16:33 AM PST by misterrob (There is no such thing as a RINO.....CINO on the other hand has meaning.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

This is one reason that tax payer money should not be used to build stadiums. Secondly, the NFL is not using public airwaves, the networks are. The broadcast companies are the ones who license the content. When the NFL tried to offer content on their private network the politicians decided to step in and the NFL was strong armed into making the game available on broadcast TV.


42 posted on 02/25/2008 8:20:25 AM PST by misterrob (There is no such thing as a RINO.....CINO on the other hand has meaning.)
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To: misterrob

Yes it is still spying. I used to work for a company that made deliveries of different items. When I made deliveries, if there were invoices from competitors left out, I would write down the prices they were charging and take them back to my company. It was spying. I wasn’t hiding. I don’t think that has anything to do with the current investigation, though.


43 posted on 02/25/2008 8:41:55 AM PST by Richard Kimball (Sure, they'd love to kill me, as long as they can do it without admitting I exist)
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To: Hatteras
It's not the crime so much as it is the cover up.

They never learn.

Way to go, Goodell!

Snort.

44 posted on 02/25/2008 8:43:00 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla
What is the “cover up”? The NFL has policies, they placed sanctions on the parties involved who committed the infractions and that was that. If they had done nothing about it then I could see why people would have an issue to complain about but that’s not the case.
45 posted on 02/25/2008 8:50:33 AM PST by misterrob (There is no such thing as a RINO.....CINO on the other hand has meaning.)
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To: Hatteras

While I would like to see the Patriots taken out (Dolphins fan-accepting all forms of pity), I think that they should tell specter to pound it up his %#*. He has much more important things to do than to waste time, resources and tax payer $$ more worthless crap that is NOT the business of the Gov’t.


46 posted on 02/25/2008 8:56:12 AM PST by submarinerswife ("If I win I can't 't be stopped! If I lose I shall be dead." - George S. Patton)
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To: misterrob
The NFL is using their anti-trust exemption to leverage power against the cable companies. The original reasoning for the anti-trust exemption was to allow the NFL to equalize revenues and keep small market teams competitive.

The Pats are really going to miss that 1st round pick that could have gone into a LB that they so badly needed. The taping infraction is going to hurt their ability to compete for the top spot over the next few years.

Losing one draft pick, particularly since they already had the 49ers 1st round pick won't hurt them that badly. The Giants lost several key players to knee injuries during their title run. Teams lose players. It happens all the time.

47 posted on 02/25/2008 9:06:02 AM PST by Richard Kimball (Sure, they'd love to kill me, as long as they can do it without admitting I exist)
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To: Richard Kimball

How are they using their anti-trust power? They own he product and put the content out to bid for broadcast rights. In the case of the NFL network they decided to put their product on their own channel. If an MSO/CATV provider doesn’t want to carry their channel then that’s the provider’s decision. The games are what cause demand for the channel.

What team doesn’t have use for a 1st rounder? That pick has real value either to select a player for a deficient position or as an asset to trade. This year the Pats could have drafted a CB with the #7, a LB with the 31st pick then taken another player like a LB/OL with their second round pick. Losing that pick hurts more than you know. Last year


48 posted on 02/25/2008 9:36:03 AM PST by misterrob (There is no such thing as a RINO.....CINO on the other hand has meaning.)
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To: misterrob
They're using their anti-trust exemption every time they negotiate a television package. The NFL is 32 separate business entities that negotiate as a cartel. Without their anti-trust exemptions, they could not do this.
49 posted on 02/25/2008 10:02:38 AM PST by Richard Kimball (Sure, they'd love to kill me, as long as they can do it without admitting I exist)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

he’s just cruising for ‘Skins tix


50 posted on 02/25/2008 11:31:06 AM PST by Republicus2001
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To: EricT.
I just want to know which constitutionally enumerated power allows a United States senator to stick his nose into the business of a football league?

Its three lines down from the right to an abortion.

51 posted on 02/25/2008 11:34:24 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is an EVIL like no other, and must be ERADICTED)
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To: Richard Kimball
In Formula 1 racing, Team McLaren was fined $100 million for stealing information from Team Ferrari. There’s a cover up going on, all right.

Except in football it is not illegal to "steal" the opponent's signals.

The only "crime" the Patriots are guilty of is doing it in a manner proscribed by the league.

52 posted on 02/25/2008 11:36:31 AM PST by ksen (Don't steal. The government hates the competition. - sign on Ron Paul's desk)
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To: Hatteras

Why does the NFL need congress involved in this? Do they need to find more sophisticated ways to cheat and not get caught?

Congress can definitely aid in it’s advisory capacity with that.


53 posted on 02/25/2008 11:40:29 AM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Hatteras

wasting our money


54 posted on 02/25/2008 11:46:56 AM PST by sappy
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To: ksen
The only "crime" the Patriots are guilty of is doing it in a manner proscribed by the league.

Well, we don't really know, do we? Goodell had the tapes destroyed.

55 posted on 02/25/2008 11:47:16 AM PST by Richard Kimball (Sure, they'd love to kill me, as long as they can do it without admitting I exist)
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To: Richard Kimball
Well, we don't really know, do we?

What other "crimes" are they being charged with?

Goodell had the tapes destroyed.

So? Weren't the tapes the property of the NFL? Were they under subpoena from a court? Are actual criminal charges being considered?

56 posted on 02/25/2008 11:53:08 AM PST by ksen (Don't steal. The government hates the competition. - sign on Ron Paul's desk)
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To: Hatteras

This story won’t die until the tapes Matt Walsh has are made public.

There is another story written on it nearly every day...


57 posted on 02/25/2008 11:54:36 AM PST by FreedomProtector
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Goodell’s handling of this matter reeks of cover-up. Most of us that have been following the story from the start feel that there is more to it and it would behoove the NFL to come clean or lose their antitrust exemption. The half-a$$ed “investigation” is the biggest contributor to that IMO.

If the outcome of their premier event, the Superbowl or even regular season games has been tainted by cheating, it would really hurt the NFL, but it would hurt more if the story was uncovered by a golf instructor and not covered-up by the commish. I know there would be a lot of upset people with interests in sports booking if this were the case.
I just hope this blows over and this kid has nothing that will make people look at the NFL like they do WWE, staged entertainment.

58 posted on 02/25/2008 12:13:30 PM PST by newnhdad
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To: ksen
An item doesn't have to be under subpoena for it to be illegal to destroy it.

This goes way beyond the Patriots, and way beyond the first game of the 2007 season. As to where it goes, I think a lot of the NFL business practices will come under scrutiny, and it won't be pretty.

59 posted on 02/25/2008 12:23:21 PM PST by Richard Kimball (Sure, they'd love to kill me, as long as they can do it without admitting I exist)
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To: Richard Kimball
An item doesn't have to be under subpoena for it to be illegal to destroy it.

Ok, what is special about this situation that you think it was illegal for the NFL to destroy some of its own property?

This goes way beyond the Patriots, and way beyond the first game of the 2007 season. As to where it goes, I think a lot of the NFL business practices will come under scrutiny, and it won't be pretty.

Then you admit that it wasn't just the Patriots that were involved in improperly taping the opponent's sideline?

BTW, taping the opponent's sideline is not against the NFL rules. Only the placement of the taper determines whether or not the rule has been violated. If the guy taping the Jets' sideline was about 30' back and in the stands it would have all been ok according to the rules.

60 posted on 02/25/2008 12:40:26 PM PST by ksen (Don't steal. The government hates the competition. - sign on Ron Paul's desk)
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