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Forget global warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age
National Post ^ | 2/25/2008 | Lorne Gunter

Posted on 02/25/2008 7:37:41 AM PST by Uncledave

Lorne Gunter, National Post Published: Monday, February 25, 2008

Snow cover over North America and much of Siberia, Mongolia and China is greater than at any time since 1966.

The U.S. National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) reported that many American cities and towns suffered record cold temperatures in January and early February. According to the NCDC, the average temperature in January "was -0.3 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average."

China is surviving its most brutal winter in a century. Temperatures in the normally balmy south were so low for so long that some middle-sized cities went days and even weeks without electricity because once power lines had toppled it was too cold or too icy to repair them.

There have been so many snow and ice storms in Ontario and Quebec in the past two months that the real estate market has felt the pinch as home buyers have stayed home rather than venturing out looking for new houses.

In just the first two weeks of February, Toronto received 70 cm of snow, smashing the record of 66.6 cm for the entire month set back in the pre-SUV, pre-Kyoto, pre-carbon footprint days of 1950.

And remember the Arctic Sea ice? The ice we were told so hysterically last fall had melted to its "lowest levels on record? Never mind that those records only date back as far as 1972 and that there is anthropological and geological evidence of much greater melts in the past.

The ice is back.

Gilles Langis, a senior forecaster with the Canadian Ice Service in Ottawa, says the Arctic winter has been so severe the ice has not only recovered, it is actually 10 to 20 cm thicker in many places than at this time last year.

OK, so one winter does not a climate make. It would be premature to claim an Ice Age is looming just because we have had one of our most brutal winters in decades.

But if environmentalists and environment reporters can run around shrieking about the manmade destruction of the natural order every time a robin shows up on Georgian Bay two weeks early, then it is at least fair game to use this winter's weather stories to wonder whether the alarmist are being a tad premature.

And it's not just anecdotal evidence that is piling up against the climate-change dogma.

According to Robert Toggweiler of the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory at Princeton University and Joellen Russell, assistant professor of biogeochemical dynamics at the University of Arizona -- two prominent climate modellers -- the computer models that show polar ice-melt cooling the oceans, stopping the circulation of warm equatorial water to northern latitudes and triggering another Ice Age (a la the movie The Day After Tomorrow) are all wrong.

"We missed what was right in front of our eyes," says Prof. Russell. It's not ice melt but rather wind circulation that drives ocean currents northward from the tropics. Climate models until now have not properly accounted for the wind's effects on ocean circulation, so researchers have compensated by over-emphasizing the role of manmade warming on polar ice melt.

But when Profs. Toggweiler and Russell rejigged their model to include the 40-year cycle of winds away from the equator (then back towards it again), the role of ocean currents bringing warm southern waters to the north was obvious in the current Arctic warming.

Last month, Oleg Sorokhtin, a fellow of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, shrugged off manmade climate change as "a drop in the bucket." Showing that solar activity has entered an inactive phase, Prof. Sorokhtin advised people to "stock up on fur coats."

He is not alone. Kenneth Tapping of our own National Research Council, who oversees a giant radio telescope focused on the sun, is convinced we are in for a long period of severely cold weather if sunspot activity does not pick up soon.

The last time the sun was this inactive, Earth suffered the Little Ice Age that lasted about five centuries and ended in 1850. Crops failed through killer frosts and drought. Famine, plague and war were widespread. Harbours froze, so did rivers, and trade ceased.

It's way too early to claim the same is about to happen again, but then it's way too early for the hysteria of the global warmers, too.

lgunter@shaw.ca


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1 posted on 02/25/2008 7:37:45 AM PST by Uncledave
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2 posted on 02/25/2008 7:39:41 AM PST by xcamel (Two-hand-voting now in play - One on lever, other holding nose.)
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To: Uncledave

So, a couple of days ago I’m reading something about some area of the US getting snowed under, and some areas in the Middle East getting snow... and I made a smart-assed crack outloud.... I said, “Well, there’s that damned global warming causing snow”.

A friend who apparently is a strong believer starts saying, “Well, certainly global warming is causing that. It causes bad weather, and worse-than-normal weather, and things aren’t right any more.”

I said, “Ummm Bull$h!+, so-called man-made global warming should be producing massive amounts of CO2 and CO which is a ‘greenhouse gas’ and in turn that will help hold IN heat from the sun, which in turn is supposed to drive UP global temperatures. Where did you come up with this new twist on global warming?”

Ack, you can’t win, they keep changing the story.


3 posted on 02/25/2008 7:45:36 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: xcamel
NOAA: Global Warming Not Causing More Destructive Hurricanes
4 posted on 02/25/2008 7:48:38 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks (I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to hope like such as change to build future©®™)
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To: xcamel

Check out the graph at the top...Ice ages beginning about every 100,000 years like clockwork. Guess where we are at.

http://www.nov55.com/gbwm.html


5 posted on 02/25/2008 7:49:58 AM PST by Archon of the East (Universal Executive Power of the Law of Nature)
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To: Rick.Donaldson

Let me guess - the way to avoid an ice age is to reduce our lifestyle and punish capitalism and implement global socialism...

Same solution to fix global warming...

Same solution offered for ANYTHING...


6 posted on 02/25/2008 7:50:54 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Rick.Donaldson

Here in the midwest we’ve gotten more snow than normal. There isn’t much on the ground right now but we’ve got a storm watch for tonight. In any case the ice fishing has been good this winter.


7 posted on 02/25/2008 7:53:13 AM PST by cripplecreek (Voting CONSERVATIVE in memory of 5 children killed by illegals 2/17/08 and 2/19/ 08)
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To: xcamel

father gore and his people will tell you, will assure you, that global warming is responsible for any global cooling and the reason is the following;

the upper atmosphere, when confronted by the shimmering effects of warm air, tend to sink lower than the warm air, making for a cold surface on the earth which discombobulates the upper and lower layers, thereby causing the intermediate layers to mix between the upper and lower layers, which makes the cold air hug the earth, more and more until it gets to the point where carbon taxes must be passed and oil company profits must be confiscated for earth justice and normalization to occur for mother earth.

understand?


8 posted on 02/25/2008 7:54:24 AM PST by ripley
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To: Archon of the East

Checked the graph from peak to trough is about 50,000 years. You and I will be worm food when the next ice age is here.


9 posted on 02/25/2008 7:55:27 AM PST by tom paine 2
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To: Uncledave
My local forecast for today....
Winter Storm Warning
Rain is expected to develop early this afternoon... then change to snow and sleet from northwest to southeast during the course of the afternoon. Snow... heavy at times will then continue overnight..with total accumulations of 6 to 8 inches by Tuesday morning. The snow is expected to diminish to flurries Tuesday morning... however... strong north to northwest winds gusting to 35 mph will continue to cause considerable blowing and drifting snow.
This 'Global warming' stuff sucks. And I'm REALLY tired of shoveling it.
10 posted on 02/25/2008 7:56:53 AM PST by Condor51 (Vote for McInsane or Death by Ugga-Bugga? Decisions, decisions, decisions.)
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To: cripplecreek

We got a bit more snow here in Colorado than normal in some areas, and a bit less than normal in others. So... it’s average.

Over all, I’d say that folks who make statements that “hurricanes are worse than they’ve ever been” are full of it. At one point I looked up the stats on hurricanes as recorded for the past about 75 or so years. Looking at the size and destruction of hurricanes, you simply can NOT say that they are any worse NOW than they were “back then”.

People’s memories simply aren’t all they are cracked up to be.

Made up ‘scientific’ data doesn’t count and most of the global warming stuff is simply MADE UP.


11 posted on 02/25/2008 7:59:42 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: Uncledave

No problem,

Global cooling, we’re at fault, Bush is at fault; Gore and Hillary will save us, save the planet, the universe, with a government program. It’s all Halliburton’s fault. It’s a conspiracy by the oil companies to sell more!

Energy released by one solar flare? Amount of energy released if all the earths nuclear weapons were detonated simultaneously? Not .1% of the solar flare. In the grand scheme, we’re insignificant, and our “global warming” fanatics are more or less the same people who years past put the earth in the center of the universe, because after all, in their self important mind, we matter so much that the entire universe revolves around us and the fact that my Jeep gets 18 MPG.


12 posted on 02/25/2008 7:59:52 AM PST by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: Uncledave
HEY!!! Get a grip. You KNOW it is because of global warming that this global freezing is taking place. Just listen to Algore types. Watch stupid Weather Channel. Heidie will tell you it is. /sarcasm still on
13 posted on 02/25/2008 8:01:23 AM PST by RetiredArmy (Obama: NOT the next JFK. He is the NEXT STALIN!!!! Wake up America!!!)
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To: Uncledave

one month of sub 32 temps and snow/frost in vietnam highlands


14 posted on 02/25/2008 8:02:06 AM PST by angkor
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To: Uncledave

This will really “frost” the dirty brown rice eating hippies!


15 posted on 02/25/2008 8:02:22 AM PST by Camel Joe (liberal=socialist=royalist/imperialist pawn=enemy of Freedom)
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To: tom paine 2
Oh no doubt about it, probably 100+ years before any noticeable difference, but the larger point is cycles of 100,000 years is to be upset by the doubling, tripling, quadrupling? of an insignificant “greenhouse gas”. The sheer stupidity of anyone who believes AGW and the audacity and fraud of those who promote it is beyond comprhension, beyond anything I thought could occur outside the dark ages.
16 posted on 02/25/2008 8:03:31 AM PST by Archon of the East (Universal Executive Power of the Law of Nature)
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To: Red6

Ha...tell that to Obama and his “followers.” THEY are the center of the UNIVERSE!!


17 posted on 02/25/2008 8:03:59 AM PST by goodnesswins (Being Challenged Builds Character; Being Coddled Destroys Character)
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To: Rick.Donaldson

The globull warming believers REALLY believe that globull waring causes it to get COLDER!


18 posted on 02/25/2008 8:05:20 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Uncledave
Showing that solar activity has entered an inactive phase, Prof. Sorokhtin advised people to "stock up on fur coats."

There is absolutely no way climate change will be blamed on the sun in popular culture. Even the environmentalists can not find a plausible sounding way of linking it to capitalism. And the MSM and Joe Average are either too intellectually lazy or to afraid to defy the environmental movement.

19 posted on 02/25/2008 8:10:53 AM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: tom paine 2

The “Little Ice Age” of recent history came about suddenly, in fact the year preceeding it was quite ordinary. I’m planting a raised bed garden this year! and getting a wood stove... and no wait I could burn COAL!!!


20 posted on 02/25/2008 8:11:29 AM PST by Camel Joe (liberal=socialist=royalist/imperialist pawn=enemy of Freedom)
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To: Uncledave
Looks like those Russians are going to win that 10,000.00 bet. (That global cooling will soon start due to decreased solar output)

We have had a lot of snow in Washington State. Stevens Pass has recieved almost 500 in so far...Mt Baker set a new world record a few years ago...1,140 in of snow.

21 posted on 02/25/2008 8:11:34 AM PST by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Law is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: Uncledave
We’re expecting a low temperature of 7 degrees Thursday night. Brrrrrr!
22 posted on 02/25/2008 8:13:47 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Uncledave

Thanks for the post. My daughter was forced to watch algore’s lovely movie in class last week. The class is actually “Food Science & Technology” but the teacher said she wanted to show the students the future of their food supply. My child is the only freshman, the rest are upper classmen, but she said at the end of the movie they were shellshocked. The teacher asked who didnt agree with the movie - she was the only one. She stood up and said it was a load. LOL She said that was an hour & a half long infomercial for algore’s carbon credits business. The teacher was stunned & asked her if she had been visiting any ‘slanted’ websites. (She does actually read FreeRepublic on occasion at school, which is why she knows bs she she sees it.) Anyway, she has to do a presentation this week & while many chose ‘world hunger’, etc, she is doing hers on a rebuttal to human caused global warming. Others are working in groups of 3 & 4, but she has chosen to go it alone. She is an excellent writer, so I’m hoping she blows them away. I’ll let you know.


23 posted on 02/25/2008 8:23:13 AM PST by texas_mrs
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To: Red6

“The planet has a fever! When your baby has a fever, you take it to the doctor. When your planet has a fever, you crash it into the sun. After all, the Sun is not heating the planet up. So crashing the planet into the Sun will cool the planet’s fever!”
Al oGre
ogre “1. an ugly giant or monstrous person that eats people, esp. one in folk tales and children’s stories.
Similar Words Minotaur , bogeyman , monster , beast , giant , ghoul , Cyclops
Definition 2. an especially evil, hideous, or cruel person.”


24 posted on 02/25/2008 8:23:14 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Uncledave
Not like there are natural huge patterns or anything...

this data shows really how unusual our very long lasting warm period is. Lucky us. Luck can't last forever though.

Makes for a strong argument though to try to delay global cooling! LOL

25 posted on 02/25/2008 8:23:54 AM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: xcamel

Th-that’s what it f-f-f-eels like here! Please, oh please, can we have our global warming back?

Thanks for the ping!


26 posted on 02/25/2008 8:26:10 AM PST by alwaysconservative (The "Run Hillary Run" bumpersticker: on the back bumper for Dems, on the front for Republicans!)
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bttt


27 posted on 02/25/2008 8:30:58 AM PST by isaiah55version11_0 (For His Glory)
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To: texas_mrs

Chris Horner’s “The Dummies Guide to Global Warming” is an excellent resource.


28 posted on 02/25/2008 8:35:54 AM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times

Thanks! I will definitely pass that on to her.


29 posted on 02/25/2008 8:42:21 AM PST by texas_mrs
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To: texas_mrs

If you would, please ping me when you learn how she makes out. You might even consider posting her paper, but that of course, is up to you.


30 posted on 02/25/2008 8:42:30 AM PST by Roccus (Able Danger??? What's an Able Danger????)
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To: Uncledave
And remember the Arctic Sea ice? The ice we were told so hysterically last fall had melted to its "lowest levels on record? Never mind that those records only date back as far as 1972 and that there is anthropological and geological evidence of much greater melts in the past.

The ice is back.

Calling Al Gore, Calling Al Gore...

31 posted on 02/25/2008 8:44:26 AM PST by GOPJ (Do the editors of the L.A. Times realize that illegal immigration is, you know, illegal? Patterico)
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To: Rick.Donaldson
There was a book published several years ago entitled “Chaos: Making a New Science” by James Gleick. It tries to describe chaos theory and its implications in the real world. One of the first items he discusses is weather modeling. What comes out is that very small changes in starting parameters can cause very large results. Global warming simply means there is more energy for Mother Nature to use; it does not mean the temperature will rise equally across the earth. So, that “damned global warming” could very easily be causing the unusual snow patterns.

Now, with that said, history has shown that global temps go up and global temps go down. The cycle started long before man’s influence and will continue long after. Looking outside at my ice covered driveway, I’m hoping for a little of that global warming soon!

32 posted on 02/25/2008 8:46:42 AM PST by colinhester
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To: MrB
Let me guess - the way to avoid an ice age is to reduce our lifestyle and punish capitalism and implement global socialism...

Great comment - You understand the liberal mind -- or more precisely, the liberal mindlessness...

33 posted on 02/25/2008 8:47:55 AM PST by GOPJ (Do the editors of the L.A. Times realize that illegal immigration is, you know, illegal? Patterico)
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To: GOPJ

More precisely, the liberal agenda of global socialism with them in charge of who gets what,

and that ALL of the crap that they promote (global warming, poverty initiatives, universal health care, feminism, multiculturalism) is simply a means to an end.


34 posted on 02/25/2008 8:49:50 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Have you not bought your “global warming” books, videos, paid for some conference, attended some class at a college, paid a lecturer, and bought some carbon offsets yet?

Hey, if you start your kids young, with about 6 or so, maybe you can beat this into their head to where they won’t question it. We call that a good education in this country!


35 posted on 02/25/2008 8:54:49 AM PST by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: Roccus; Interesting Times; Uncledave

Roccus, sure, I will let you all know how she does. Prior to the presentation assignment, I was so enraged about the showing of that drivel movie as fact that I was planning to write a letter to the school. Now I’m considering still doing so, but suggesting they must show a rebuttal or opposing view. What do you all suggest? Or should I just let my daughter do the talking? So many parents just don’t have a clue, I feel someone needs to speak out about it.


36 posted on 02/25/2008 8:54:57 AM PST by texas_mrs
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To: Rick.Donaldson
Yup, heard the same argument from a couple of AlGore acolytes at work.

Weather is hot = GW. Weather is cold = GW.

Just a few minutes ago, in fact, one of the girls in the breakroom attributed the 60 degree temp today (about 10 higher than normal, fyi) to global warming.

I didn't ask her if the highs in the 30s this weekend (about 20 degrees colder than usual) were also due to GW. I probably already know the answer.

Speaking for myself, I like the warmer temps over the past few years. My heating bill for the past 2 winters has been 2/3 of what it was previously. And, that's with the hikes in Natural Gas prices.

37 posted on 02/25/2008 8:57:00 AM PST by wbill
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To: RetiredArmy
I hate Heidi whatsherface on the Weather Channel. So much so that I've stopped watching it.

Too bad, I like Jim Cantore. He strikes me as a guy who generally knows what he's talking about, but is being forced to parrot the party line.

38 posted on 02/25/2008 8:59:13 AM PST by wbill
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To: Rick.Donaldson
Ack, you can’t win, they keep changing the story.

Although we have no hope of changing the minds of the true Gorons, we can still sway ordinary folks who have bought into this nonsense. Just keep pointing out their folly and how the facts don't add up to Algore's lies (and then point and laugh as necessary)..........

39 posted on 02/25/2008 8:59:23 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Silence is not always a Sign of Wisdom, but Babbling is ever a Mark of Folly. - B. Franklin)
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To: tom paine 2; All

But there are mini ice ages, they seem to accur during Solar Min. times [times when there are little to no solar storms] and we are entering this period of time for the next 11 years.

They used to grow grapes in England before there was a mini ice age, and ever since the temps were never that way again.


40 posted on 02/25/2008 9:01:15 AM PST by TMSuchman (American by birth Rebel by choice, MARINE by act of GOD!)
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To: texas_mrs
She is an excellent writer, so I’m hoping she blows them away. I’ll let you know.

yes, please keep us in the loop.

And, please make sure that your daughter knows that she's not alone. I was a conservative at a college in the Northeast that ran the gamut from Liberal to Incredibly Liberal...and it was pretty lonely at times.

41 posted on 02/25/2008 9:02:42 AM PST by wbill
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To: wbill
I'll add you to the list. When she finds out all these freepers are interested in her project she will be shocked. Maybe it will give her encouragement, she loves freepers!

I'll pass your words on to her.
42 posted on 02/25/2008 9:05:48 AM PST by texas_mrs
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To: texas_mrs

Yup. Having FR at hand during my college years would have helped. AlGore hadn’t gotten around to inventing the internet, though.


43 posted on 02/25/2008 9:10:09 AM PST by wbill
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To: Uncledave
He is not alone. Kenneth Tapping of our own National Research Council, who oversees a giant radio telescope focused on the sun, is convinced we are in for a long period of severely cold weather if sunspot activity does not pick up soon.
The last time the sun was this inactive, Earth suffered the Little Ice Age that lasted about five centuries and ended in 1850. Crops failed through killer frosts and drought. Famine, plague and war were widespread. Harbours froze, so did rivers, and trade ceased.

There have been NO sunspots for the last 6 weeks.

44 posted on 02/25/2008 9:12:24 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: texas_mrs

Try “The Great Global Warming Swindle”

Go to

http://leaningstraightup.com/2007/03/11/the-global-warming-swindle-video/

and scroll down. It’s on the left.


45 posted on 02/25/2008 9:13:49 AM PST by Roccus (Able Danger??? What's an Able Danger????)
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To: texas_mrs
Be sure to have your daughter check out some of the information from the scientists who are looking to the sun as the cause of 'Global Warming' or 'Global Cooling'. Also, be sure to have her check out the sites that show Algore's famous graph, but expanded to show more years, and she can see that the warming isn't created by elevated CO2, the warming CREATES the elevated CO2. She might also ask the students to consider what caused the many times of warming in the past, when there were fewer humans and NO industry or SUVs.

And good luck to her, and congrats for having the courage to take this on!

46 posted on 02/25/2008 9:21:08 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Uncledave
Today's Sunspot Activity


47 posted on 02/25/2008 9:25:54 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: xcamel

Jorge rescind his ASSININE bill???


48 posted on 02/25/2008 9:28:03 AM PST by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: texas_mrs; All

I cannot remember the young lady’s name, but there was a high school student who decided to publicly call BS on James Hansen’s proclamations from NASA about Global Warming. She took it upon herself to get as much information as she could and wrote a detailed letter to him. There was a thread about it sometime last year on FR. Anyone on the list remember more about this? That young lady would be a good resource for your daughter.


49 posted on 02/25/2008 9:30:13 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: muawiyah

Been like that for weeks. SirKit’s been watching it, since he read an article connecting sunspot activity with warming and cooling.


50 posted on 02/25/2008 9:31:10 AM PST by SuziQ
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