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IL State police: "Before you fight..."
Ilinois State Police ^ | 2004 | n/a

Posted on 02/28/2008 8:55:54 AM PST by kiriath_jearim

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To: kiriath_jearim

Just sent this to the ISP:

Who is the clown that wrote that piece of garbage called “Before you fight...”? It is so full of useless and mis- information that you are going to get a LOT of innocent folks KILLED if any of them take you seriously. I realize that in Illinois, you strongly favor disarming all your victims, sort of like hanging a “Rob Me” or “Rape Me” sign around their necks. But this piece of crap article is so far over the top that, were it done in my Marine Corps back in the 60s, whoever wrote it would be up on charges and spend the rest of his or her life in the brig. What an utterly asinine bit of writing.

In order to do your job properly, you should be offering classes in firearm safety and marksmanship. Even subsidize the purchase of arms for your poor, if needs be, because, though I KNOW you hate facts, the actual fact of the matter is that when the absolute RIGHT of people to keep and bear arms is RESPECTED, CRIME GOES DOWN. Even someone as dense as most of you seem to be can understand cause and effect. What you are doing is as criminal as what a mugger on the street does... only worse, because people, however misguidedly, look to YOU to protect them from criminals, not BE the criminals.

Very truly happy NOT to be in your jurisdiction,

DC Wright
USMC Retired


21 posted on 02/28/2008 9:40:40 AM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: Domandred

There was a similar article in the news here recently about some local police telling residents how to keep themselves more safe. They advised using any household item you could throw at a home invader. But they cautioned against mace because that is illegal. I had not heard that. But it seems like mace would be more effective than other things.

Cops also said they discouraged having a gun because supposedly statistics show this increases the chance of an accident or suicide. Whether reality bears this up I do not know. I just know I would feel safer in a home invasion if I had a firearm to use against intruders.


22 posted on 02/28/2008 9:56:32 AM PST by TNCMAXQ
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To: NonLinear

A fine choice!


23 posted on 02/28/2008 10:00:33 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Domandred

The entire thing looks like it was written by someone with an 8th grade education and was instructed to put some anti gun ownership message in the text. Randomly placed it beneath the “If you must fight” heading. The whole piece piece is laughable and should be an embarassement to the ISP.


24 posted on 02/28/2008 10:04:45 AM PST by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: kiriath_jearim

That’s how the cops defend themselves - isn’t it?


25 posted on 02/28/2008 10:14:51 AM PST by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Since many attacks on women are not sexually motivated, and are designed to degrade and humiliate, talking your way out of it may be easier.

There is documentation of assailants that left a would-be-victim alone after she told him that she was pregnant and it would kill her baby. (Some case were women that were too old to even have a baby.) Telling an attacker that you have VD or AIDS can discourage him.

It may sound disgusting, but putting your fingers into you throat and making yourself vomit usually gets results. (This method is not often used except as a last resort.)

Use your imagination and you can think of others.

offer to join forces with the perp and help kick your own ass


26 posted on 02/28/2008 10:30:32 AM PST by daku ("My dream continues with ferocity, thank you.")
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To: kiriath_jearim
Articles common to your handbag that make useful defense weapons.

.38 cal Charter Arms 5 round revolver.


So, where does that leave us as Born Again Christians? Can we use deadly force to protect one another? Can we use deadly force to protect others? Can we who preach, use deadly force to protect those we preach to? The answer to every one of the questions above is YES, BUT.

Yes, you can use deadly force, for you will not loose your salvation by taking a life in defense of yourself, your family, your congregation or even a stranger in your midst.

BUT. Before you go out and buy yourself a .50 cal sniper rifle, there are a few things you should keep in mind before pulling the trigger or even unholstering a gun.

In order to demonstrate these things, I'm going to put to you, a few cases for your consideration.

What if you were to be coming home and you notice a commotion inside your house. You look in and your wife, son and daughter are on their knees praying to the Lord while a BATF agent is holding an uzi at their heads, screaming at them to renounce Christ or die. Do you shoot this deranged, but for the BATF normal, federal agent?

How about this, you're walking up to your brother's house and you see your nephew doing drugs and having a homosexual relationship. Suddenly it turns nasty and his homosexual partner pulls out a knife and lunges at your nephew. Do you intervene and shoot the attacker to save your nephew?

And one for Pastors. It's Wednesday night, you have twenty of the true faithful in your church or home praying and studying the Word of God, when suddenly a person comes in shooting and yelling. Do you take him out?

In each case the answer is the same, yes you can shoot and kill. But, should you? Each has to answer that question for themselves. Let's look a little closer at the results of the action of shooting or not shooting.

A BATF agent is going to shoot your family if they don't renounce the Lord. Two things to keep in mind here. One, you kids and wife are on their knees praying to the Lord, they are Saved. If the BATF agent kills them they go straight into the hands and arms of the Lord. If you shoot the agent, that agent goes straight to hell!

Let's look at the second case. Your nephew is undoubtably not Saved, he is doing drugs and having a homosexual relationship. But then again the attacker isn't Saved either. If you shoot the attacker you send him to hell! If he kills your nephew, he sends your nephew to hell. Should you pray for Gods guidance and forgiveness and pull the trigger?

But, pastors, what about question three? I know what I would do, or at least I think I do. But what you should or shouldn't do, I can not say. But I will say this, if in that prayer meeting you have one or two that have not accepted the Lord yet and been Born Again or if you have a few you're not sure about, you might want to consider doing something. For if they are killed before accepting the Lord, then Satan gets their souls for all eternity.

The bottom line is this. When you pull the trigger, you are not only killing that person, you are probably sending them straight to hell. For the chances of a Born Again Christian doing the attacking is almost non existent.

But, keep in mind this, your pulling the trigger is not a salvation issue for your soul, not if you are Born Again.

For the Lord Himself has told us:

Mark 3:28-29

28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

All sins include the use of a gun to end the life of one while saving or defending the life of another.

27 posted on 02/28/2008 10:34:20 AM PST by deuteronlmy232
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To: HoosierHawk
Absolutely. Because when seconds count, the Illinois State Police are only minutes hours away.

Fixed it.

28 posted on 02/28/2008 10:43:59 AM PST by Petruchio (Democrats are like Slinkies... Not good for anything, but it's fun to push them down the stairs.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
but putting your fingers into you throat and making yourself vomit usually gets results.

Putting your finger on the trigger and making your pistol "vomit" usually gets results, too!

29 posted on 02/28/2008 10:45:29 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: deuteronlmy232
Kill them all. Let God sort them out.

There. That was easy.

30 posted on 02/28/2008 10:50:51 AM PST by Martin Tell ("It is the right, good old way you are in: keep in it.")
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To: kiriath_jearim
"Use your imagination and you can think of others."

How about a gunsite pointed between their eyes?
31 posted on 02/28/2008 10:50:52 AM PST by jaydubya2
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To: kiriath_jearim

Articles common to your handbag that make useful defense weapons, HANDGUNS....

nail file rat tail comb teasing brush pens and pencils keys anything rigid

Concentrate on these areas only when combating an assailant.

Center of Body Mass, groin eyes ears nose throat

There, fixed it.


32 posted on 02/28/2008 11:16:37 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Who wrote this claptrap - Muggers Inc.?

Don't Fight?

Sorry - the fight has already started when you are attacked, manhandled, groped, or subject to any kind of threat or force.

If you guess wrong you are raped, beaten, dead or all three.

Your first responsibility is to protect yourself.
Once the conflict is opened by an aggressor take your shot and and you won't have to take a chance on guessing wrong.

This holds true for men and women.

.

33 posted on 02/28/2008 11:22:34 AM PST by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
If I have a cellphone they might take it away.

Nah, they'll just shoot you and claim they thought it was a gun.

34 posted on 02/28/2008 11:27:46 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: kiriath_jearim

These people are absolutely retarded. I really think they may have Down’s.


35 posted on 02/28/2008 11:32:36 AM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Also, a book and some reading glasses to help pass the time...
/sarc

36 posted on 02/28/2008 12:02:06 PM PST by BorisTheBulletDodger (I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy.)
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To: deuteronlmy232

“All sins include the use of a gun to end the life of one while saving or defending the life of another.”

FYI Jesus told us to turn the other cheek, he didn’t say lay down in the middle of the road and let them run over you.

What was supposed to be the point of your screed?

Do you not think that Christians have wrestled with this thought already?


37 posted on 02/28/2008 1:05:32 PM PST by swmobuffalo ("We didn't seek the approval of Code Pink and MoveOn.org before deciding what to do")
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To: Martin Tell
Kill them all. Let God sort them out.

That was the slogan of Kilo three six, USMC back in the early 60's were you there?

38 posted on 02/28/2008 1:31:21 PM PST by deuteronlmy232
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To: swmobuffalo

I know they have and continue to do so.


39 posted on 02/28/2008 1:32:52 PM PST by deuteronlmy232
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To: kiriath_jearim
Morons...

"Gun control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound." — L. Neil Smith

40 posted on 02/28/2008 1:37:33 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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