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IL State police: "Before you fight..."
Ilinois State Police ^ | 2004 | n/a

Posted on 02/28/2008 8:55:54 AM PST by kiriath_jearim

If You Are Confronted...

Before you fight

Fighting for your safety may be necessary. However, if you start out fighting you cancel any other options that might be open to you. Since many attacks on women are not sexually motivated, and are designed to degrade and humiliate, talking your way out of it may be easier.

There is documentation of assailants that left a would-be-victim alone after she told him that she was pregnant and it would kill her baby. (Some case were women that were too old to even have a baby.) Telling an attacker that you have VD or AIDS can discourage him.

It may sound disgusting, but putting your fingers into you throat and making yourself vomit usually gets results. (This method is not often used except as a last resort.)

Use your imagination and you can think of others.

The above methods are particularly important if your assailant has a gun or knife, or there is more than one attacker. (Fighting would probably be futile.)

If you must fight

Guns stolen from residences are a primary way of getting guns into the hands of criminals.

Be aware of those times and places where there is a potential for attack and be prepared to defend yourself.

parking lots walking at night waiting for a bus elevators other you will learn to recognize

Articles common to your handbag that make useful defense weapons.

nail file rat tail comb teasing brush pens and pencils keys anything rigid

Concentrate on these areas only when combating an assailant.

groin eyes ears nose throat

You should not swing at an assailant. Roundhouse or overhand blows are easy to deflect or evade. Your movements should be made with all your strength, and should be straight jabs. Remember that screaming may be just as important to your defense as any weapon.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Illinois
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1 posted on 02/28/2008 8:55:58 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
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“Remember that screaming may be just as important to your defense as any weapon.”

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It certainly helped Karen Genovese.../sarc


2 posted on 02/28/2008 8:56:46 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim
Liberal claptrap from the Illinois State Police. No practical advice offered for how to defend yourself from criminals. Gee, that PC "conflict resolution" garbage works so well when you're seriously injured or dead, right? If they really believe their own advice, they should go out on patrol without their sidearm and take a chance.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

3 posted on 02/28/2008 8:58:56 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Where did I leave my 9mm?

Dumb ass IL State Police.

If I have a gun they might use it on me.

If I have a cellphone they might take it away.


4 posted on 02/28/2008 9:00:59 AM PST by CHICAGOFARMER ( “If you're not ready to die for it, put the word ''freedom'' out of your vocabulary.” – Malcolm X)
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To: kiriath_jearim
If you must fight

Guns stolen from residences are a primary way of getting guns into the hands of criminals.

I don't believe this is true. It certainly does not belong under the heading "If you must fight."

What, before you're ready to confront the rapist with harsh language and vomit, you are supposed to know that gun thefts can occur? This makes no sense. Maybe Blagogevich wrote it.

5 posted on 02/28/2008 9:03:00 AM PST by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: CHICAGOFARMER

Police have no responsibility to protect individuals

Police have no legal duty to respond and prevent crime or protect the victim. There have BEEN OVER 10 various supreme and state court cases the individual has never won.

Notably, the Supreme Court STATED about the responsibility of police for the security of your family and loved ones is “You, and only you, are responsible for your security and the security of your family and loved ones. That was the essence of a U.S. Supreme Court decision in the early 1980’s when they ruled that the police do not have a duty to protect you as an individual, but to protect society as a whole.”

“It is well-settled fact of American law that the police have no legal duty to protect any individual citizen from crime, even if the citizen has received death threats and the police have negligently failed to provide protection.”

Sources:
7/15/05 SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES No. 04-278 TOWN OF CASTLE ROCK, COLORADO, PETITIONER v. JESSICA GONZALES, INDIVIDUALLY AND AS NEXT BEST FRIEND OF HER DECEASED MINOR CHILDREN, REBECCA GONZALES, KATHERYN GONZALES, AND LESLIE GONZALES

On June 27, in the case of Castle Rock v. Gonzales, the Supreme Court found that Jessica Gonzales did not have a constitutional right to individual police protection even in the presence of a restraining order. Mrs. Gonzales’ husband with a track record of violence, stabbing Mrs. Gonzales to death, Mrs. Gonzales’ family could not get the Supreme Court to change their unanimous decision for one’s individual protection. YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN FOLKS AND GOVERNMENT BODIES ARE REFUSING TO PASS THE Safety Ordinance.

(1) Richard W. Stevens. 1999. Dial 911 and Die. Hartford, Wisconsin: Mazel Freedom Press.

(2) Barillari v. City of Milwaukee, 533 N.W.2d 759 (Wis. 1995).

(3) Bowers v. DeVito, 686 F.2d 616 (7th Cir. 1982).

(4) DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services, 489 U.S. 189 (1989).

(5) Ford v. Town of Grafton, 693 N.E.2d 1047 (Mass. App. 1998).

(6) Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. 1981).
“...a government and its agencies are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen...” -Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. App. 1981)

(7) “What makes the City’s position particularly difficult to understand is that, in conformity to the dictates of the law, Linda did not carry any weapon for self-defense. Thus by a rather bitter irony she was required to rely for protection on the City of NY which now denies all responsibility to her.”
Riss v. New York, 22 N.Y.2d 579,293 N.Y.S.2d 897, 240 N.E.2d 806 (1958).

(8) “Law enforcement agencies and personnel have no duty to protect individuals from the criminal acts of others; instead their duty is to preserve the peace and arrest law breakers for the protection of the general public.”
Lynch v. N.C. Dept. of Justice, 376 S.E. 2nd 247 (N.C. App. 1989)
New York Times, Washington DC

Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone By LINDA GREENHOUSE Published: June 28, 2005

The ruling applies even for a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation.


6 posted on 02/28/2008 9:04:13 AM PST by CHICAGOFARMER ( “If you're not ready to die for it, put the word ''freedom'' out of your vocabulary.” – Malcolm X)
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To: kiriath_jearim

And that french tennis player. /sarc


7 posted on 02/28/2008 9:04:17 AM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: CHICAGOFARMER

Sound familiar DeKalb, Il NIU

“Right now, the most potent means of self defense I’m allowed to have is a can of pepper-spray. That’s not going to do much against a man with a rifle and two handguns,” said Mr. Sheeetz, 23, a masters degree student in industrial engineering from Lancaster, alluding to weapons carried by the Northern Illinois gunman. “The advantage of an armed citizen over an armed police officer is the citizen is already there when something is happening.”


8 posted on 02/28/2008 9:05:35 AM PST by CHICAGOFARMER ( “If you're not ready to die for it, put the word ''freedom'' out of your vocabulary.” – Malcolm X)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Bump


9 posted on 02/28/2008 9:06:24 AM PST by sport
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To: kiriath_jearim
"There is documentation of assailants that left a would-be-victim alone after she told him that she was pregnant and it would kill her baby."

Admittedly, I don't have the stats to back me up, but I'd be willing to bet there's lots more documentation out there where the assailant went ahead and killed the pregnant victim and her baby.

10 posted on 02/28/2008 9:09:12 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: CHICAGOFARMER

Smith & Wesson - The Ultimate in Feminine Protection.

The rest is stupid advice from a nanny-state cop.


11 posted on 02/28/2008 9:10:38 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: kiriath_jearim

It may sound disgusting, but putting your fingers into you throat and making yourself vomit usually gets results. So that's why my wife keeps doing that! Thanks

12 posted on 02/28/2008 9:13:24 AM PST by JZelle
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To: kiriath_jearim

This is the face of political correctness.


13 posted on 02/28/2008 9:13:54 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
It may sound disgusting, but putting your fingers into you throat and making yourself vomit usually gets results. (This method is not often used except as a last resort.)

Use your imagination and you can think of others.

Ummmm... OK. How about pointing a Colt Python at the perp and telling him you will blow his head off if he doesn't start puking in five seconds?

14 posted on 02/28/2008 9:14:21 AM PST by San Jacinto
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To: Emmett McCarthy
Smith & Wesson - The Ultimate in Feminine Protection.

Absolutely. Because when seconds count, the Illinois State Police are only minutes away.

15 posted on 02/28/2008 9:18:47 AM PST by HoosierHawk
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To: kiriath_jearim

As a former LEO 98% of line officers do not feel this way. we hated when upper echelon made these statements. I encouraged law abiding citizens to carry a weapon and never arrested anyone I found carrying one unless they were a felon, using it unlawfully, or in possession when committing another crime.

I routinely found persons carrying guns when I stopped them. We treated every car as loaded and no telling how many I stopped that had one and I did not know it.


16 posted on 02/28/2008 9:19:52 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: San Jacinto

the perp would probably be too busy shi*ting himself to worry about pukin..


17 posted on 02/28/2008 9:20:03 AM PST by GeorgiaDawg32 (I'm a Patriot Guard Rider..www.patriotguard.org for info on joining.You DON'T have to ride to belong)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Works for me. Particularly if you keep one of these in your purse.

18 posted on 02/28/2008 9:22:13 AM PST by NonLinear ("They never open their mouths without subtracting from the sum of human knowledge." -Thomas B Reed)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Guns stolen from residences are a primary way of getting guns into the hands of criminals.

Is it just me or did it seem like this sentence was just thrown in. It didn't really fit with the rest of the topic. I mean if they wanted to go there they could have put this sentence someone else, but here it's just like a glaring afterthought like "we have to put an anti-gun statement in somewhere...this looks good"

19 posted on 02/28/2008 9:23:22 AM PST by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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To: kiriath_jearim

"When you have to shoot someone, don't talk just shoot!"

20 posted on 02/28/2008 9:30:14 AM PST by Mat_Helm
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