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Confederate Flag represents both heritage and hate
Walker County (Ga.) Messenger ^ | Jeannie Babb Taylor

Posted on 03/05/2008 6:38:02 PM PST by Rebeleye

Does the Confederate battle flag represent heritage or hatred? The answer is yes. It represents a heritage that included hatred.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: confederacy; confederate; confederateflag; crossofsaintandrew; dixie; georgia; saintandrewscross
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To: Clemenza

The ONLY reason that slavery was an issue AT ALL was because of the sanctions and tariffs the North forced on the South. A black vote being equivalent to 2/3 a white vote was put into the Constitution BY THE NORTH!


41 posted on 03/05/2008 10:39:37 PM PST by Don W (Vote YOUR Honor, or it could become: Vote, your Honor.....)
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To: Know et al

I hear you. Not that the brainwashed will ever even recognize their base error.


42 posted on 03/05/2008 10:40:49 PM PST by Don W (Vote YOUR Honor, or it could become: Vote, your Honor.....)
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To: Don W
Hypothetical question: If the southern states had freed the slaves and immediately seceded, would there still have been the possibility, probability or inevitability for war?
43 posted on 03/05/2008 10:44:03 PM PST by Know et al (Everything I know I read in the newspaper and that's the reason for my ignorance. Will Rogers)
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To: Don W
Not to be picky but I think it was 3/5th.
44 posted on 03/05/2008 10:48:31 PM PST by Know et al (Everything I know I read in the newspaper and that's the reason for my ignorance. Will Rogers)
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To: Don W

Night all.


45 posted on 03/05/2008 10:56:40 PM PST by Know et al (Everything I know I read in the newspaper and that's the reason for my ignorance. Will Rogers)
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To: ari-freedom

Interesting picture. Where is it from and what is it of (other than the obvious)? A victim of inter-tribal or internecine warfare in Africa? The victim of a Belgian colonist in the Congo? A wayward servant of an Arab?

Slavery was and is a terrible thing. Even when it was practiced in the North. Even when New England shipping interests made fortunes trafficking in their sad cargo.

Inhumanity is evil, even when perpetrated in Detroit.


46 posted on 03/06/2008 3:48:35 AM PST by ought-six
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To: tueffelhunden
It wasn’t a Civil War.

It was, in fact, a rebellion.

It was, as has been accurately stated before, Mr. Lincoln’s War or the War of Yankee Aggression.

War of Southern Rebellion, or The War of the Rebellion. Either one would be more accurate.

47 posted on 03/06/2008 3:55:01 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Know et al
If it was slavery that the war was about wouldn’t they free the slaves in the north first?

You're looking at it backwards. War was what the confederacy chose to further their aims. And the reason why the confederacy seceded in the first place was to protect their institution of slavery from what they saw as threats from the Republican president. So when you look at if from the South's viewpoint, it was most certainly a war about slavery.

48 posted on 03/06/2008 3:57:31 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Clemenza

“NOBODY has been better at the historical revisionist game than Southern historians, who have successfully pushed the ahistorical myth that the Civil War ‘had nothing to do about slavery.’”

Read the contemporary writings on the conflict. The issue was economic freedom and states’ rights. If the war was about slavery, then why didn’t the Yankees invade Delaware, for instance? Or Maryland? Or Kentucky? Delaware, a Yankee state, still practiced slavery in the early 1860s. Maryland and Kentucky were slave states, but did not secede. If the war was about slavery, one would think the altruistic Yankees would have marched into Maryland and Kentucky to free the slaves there. But, they didn’t. If the war was fought to free the slaves then why didn’t the fraudulent Emabcipation Proclamation free anyone? Talk about revisionist history! Tell me, exactly, who was freed by the Emancipation Proclamation?


49 posted on 03/06/2008 3:59:03 AM PST by ought-six
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To: ari-freedom

I suggest you ask others on this forum about that picture.
The slave wasn’t beaten in the South. It was a publicity stunt.


50 posted on 03/06/2008 3:59:50 AM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: Don W
A black vote being equivalent to 2/3 a white vote was put into the Constitution BY THE NORTH!

You really need to read the Constitution some times. The count was for census purposes, not voting. A free black person counted the same as a free white person. And the 3/5ths was a compromise between the North, which didn't believe slaves should be counted for the purpose of determining congressional representation, and the South, which believed 1 slave should be treated as 1 person for determining representation. Considering that in the South a slave was property and not a person, it's hard to understand why they needed congressional representation other than to give the South a disproportionate representation in Congress. Even with the compromise the South still had dozens of congressmen they had no justification having since they were for people who weren't citizens.

51 posted on 03/06/2008 4:09:34 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Know et al
Hypothetical question: If the southern states had freed the slaves and immediately seceded, would there still have been the possibility, probability or inevitability for war?

If the South had freed its slaves why would it have seceded in the first place?

52 posted on 03/06/2008 4:10:37 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

No. It wouldn’t be accurate.

War Between the States would be.


53 posted on 03/06/2008 4:13:36 AM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: ought-six
Interesting picture. Where is it from and what is it of (other than the obvious)? A victim of inter-tribal or internecine warfare in Africa? The victim of a Belgian colonist in the Congo? A wayward servant of an Arab?

None of the above. It's a slave named Gordon who had been born in the U.S. and who had run away from the Gillespie (or Glasby) plantation and later joined the Union army. Harper's Weekly made a Northern hero out of him. Link.

54 posted on 03/06/2008 4:14:52 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: TexConfederate1861

By definition a rebellion is an open, armed, and usually unsuccessful defiance of or resistance to an established government. That pretty much sums up the Southern attempt.


55 posted on 03/06/2008 4:17:24 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Wrong.

Rebellions usually are an attempt to remove or usurp an established government. The Confederate States attempted neither. They withdrew, and desired to be left ALONE.


56 posted on 03/06/2008 4:26:45 AM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: TexConfederate1861
Rebellions usually are an attempt to remove or usurp an established government. The Confederate States attempted neither. They withdrew, and desired to be left ALONE.

Not at all. Rebellions are an armed opposition to the established government for whatever reason be it to overthrow the existing government or to break away from it. The Founding Father's knew that, which is why we study the American Revolution, not the American Secession.

57 posted on 03/06/2008 4:37:12 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Noni:

As you well know, The American Colonies had no legal means of leaving. So in that case, it was a “rebellion” or a “Revolution” The Southern States did. Big difference.
Or if you still insist that it was a rebellion, then the term “ War for Southern Independence” would apply.


58 posted on 03/06/2008 6:27:50 AM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: tueffelhunden
They were fighting over which view of the Constitution would be applied even though they weren’t fighting over the government. One view allowed states to leave the Union and emphasized their authority over that of the central government. It lost.
59 posted on 03/06/2008 6:48:33 AM PST by Mr.Grumble
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To: Non-Sequitur

You’re looking at it backwards. War was what the confederacy chose to further their aims. And the reason why the confederacy seceded in the first place was to protect their institution of slavery from what they saw as threats from the Republican president. So when you look at if from the South’s viewpoint, it was most certainly a war about slavery.

Please show me in history where Lincoln threatened the south with freeing the slaves. The south chose independence and that’s when the hostilities began. If you believe “Honest Abe Lincoln”, he stated as much 16 months after the initiation of the conflict.


60 posted on 03/06/2008 8:01:27 AM PST by Know et al (Everything I know I read in the newspaper and that's the reason for my ignorance. Will Rogers)
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