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Southern Baptist leaders shift position on climate change
CNN ^ | March 10, 2008

Posted on 03/10/2008 4:09:36 AM PDT by bd476


(CNN) Several prominent leaders in the Southern Baptist Convention said Monday that Baptists have a moral responsibility to combat climate change -- a major shift within a denomination that just last year cast doubt on human responsibility for global warming.

Forty-six influential members of the Southern Baptist Convention, including three of its last four presidents, criticized their denomination in a statement Monday for being "too timid" in confronting global warming.

"Our cautious response to these issues in the face of mounting evidence may be seen by the world as uncaring, reckless and ill-informed," the statement says. "We can do better."

The Southern Baptist Convention, the largest Protestant denomination in the United States, adopted a resolution last year urging Baptists to "proceed cautiously in the human-induced global warming debate in light of conflicting scientific research." The resolution said "many scientists reject the idea of catastrophic human-induced global warming."

On Monday, however, dozens of Southern Baptist leaders expressed a different view.

"There is general agreement among those engaged with this issue in the scientific community," their statement says. "A minority of sincere and respected scientists offer alternate causes for global climate change other than deforestation and the burning of fossil fuels."

The signatories pledged to do their part to fight global warming "without any further lingering over the basic reality of the problem or our responsibility to address it. Humans must be proactive and take responsibility for our contributions to climate change--big and small."

The signatories include Frank Page, president of the Southern Baptist Convention since 2006; James Merritt, president of the convention from 2000 to 2002 and Jack Graham, president of the convention from 2002 to 2004. The group posted the statement on its Web site...


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: climate; climatechange; dncfalseprophets; falseprophets; globalwarming; governmentspeak; sbc; southernbaptist
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From the article:

"Humans must be proactive and take responsibility for our contributions to climate change--big and small."


With all due respect, what in the world?

Certainly the Southern Baptists did not write that government speak what-ever-that-was-supposed-to-be.

1 posted on 03/10/2008 4:09:37 AM PDT by bd476
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To: bd476

Attention all Baptists:While you are being “proactive”, make sure to keep your hands out of my pockets.


2 posted on 03/10/2008 4:17:06 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: bd476
Certainly the Southern Baptists did not write that government speak what-ever-that-was-supposed-to-be.

It's probably boilerplate text lifted straight from Agenda 21.

3 posted on 03/10/2008 4:17:10 AM PDT by thecabal
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To: bd476
The SBC already did their part to combat global warming years ago when they went along with St. Paul and told their wimmin folk to shut up.

*running*

4 posted on 03/10/2008 4:17:15 AM PDT by Enosh ()
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To: rhombus

Tell it to Huckabee.


5 posted on 03/10/2008 4:18:17 AM PDT by thecabal
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To: bd476; Fiddlstix; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Genesis defender; proud_yank; FrPR; CygnusXI; ...
 


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6 posted on 03/10/2008 4:18:50 AM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: bd476

Head up his fundament....fundamentalist.....


7 posted on 03/10/2008 4:19:30 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: bd476
I do not understand how these and other idiots can adopt the tenets of the GoreBull church when there is more and more scientific evidence that comes out everyday and refutes the high priests tenets
8 posted on 03/10/2008 4:20:16 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: thecabal
Tell it to Huckabee.

Huckabee? Huckabee? Why does that name sound familiar? Oh yes, doesn't he believe that Satan and Baptists are brothers? Bwahahahaha! ;-)

9 posted on 03/10/2008 4:21:33 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Vaquero

well the official baptist position is to question AGW and they deserve credit for that


10 posted on 03/10/2008 4:22:41 AM PDT by ari-freedom (McCain must pick a conservative VP if he wants conservative support)
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To: bd476

Maroons.


11 posted on 03/10/2008 4:26:43 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: Red_Devil 232
I do not understand how these and other idiots can adopt the tenets of the GoreBull church when there is more and more scientific evidence that comes out everyday and refutes the high priests tenets

As always, with ANY human endeavor, when the facts don't add up, follow the money. This is especially true with the SBC.....

12 posted on 03/10/2008 4:27:11 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Silence is not always a Sign of Wisdom, but Babbling is ever a Mark of Folly. - B. Franklin)
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To: rhombus
rhombus wrote: "Attention all Baptists:While you are being “proactive”, make sure to keep your hands out of my pockets."

It's a little too late for that warning. They bought it, hook, line and sinker. There's not going to be much arguing with them about it now. Their collective minds are made up.

13 posted on 03/10/2008 4:28:01 AM PDT by bd476
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To: bd476

Uh...why are Southern Baptist leaders concerned about the Global Warm scam at all. Shouldn’t they be focused on saving souls rather than engaging in junk science politics?


14 posted on 03/10/2008 4:29:09 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: thecabal


I'm just astounded that they would adopt that nonsense speech pattern of liberal hacks.

15 posted on 03/10/2008 4:29:27 AM PDT by bd476
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To: Enosh
Bahhhh! LOL! Yes, perhaps you'd better. ;-)

16 posted on 03/10/2008 4:30:23 AM PDT by bd476
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To: Red_Devil 232
I do not understand how these and other idiots can adopt the tenets of the GoreBull church when there is more and more scientific evidence that comes out everyday and refutes the high priests tenets

Leave it to the Baptists to be behind the curve on EVERYTHING.Has anyone thought to tell them about the invention of the electric light and printing press?

17 posted on 03/10/2008 4:32:05 AM PDT by verga (I'm not an apologist I just play one on TV)
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To: Vaquero
Cough, hack, throat clearing... okay, righto, gotcha. :-)

18 posted on 03/10/2008 4:32:46 AM PDT by bd476
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To: bd476

Always comforting to see that stupidity is non-denominational.


19 posted on 03/10/2008 4:33:06 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: Red_Devil 232

It’s really a struggle for parishioners. Too many are leaving the flock and joining the Gaians.


20 posted on 03/10/2008 4:33:11 AM PDT by saganite
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To: bd476

Maybe they needed just a bit more snow in Mississippi.


21 posted on 03/10/2008 4:33:33 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Uh...why are Southern Baptist leaders concerned about the Global Warm scam at all. Shouldn’t they be focused on saving souls rather than engaging in junk science politics?

That was my first reaction too.

22 posted on 03/10/2008 4:33:35 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Enosh

Why run if you are gonna say something like that. Too afraid to stay and discuss it?


23 posted on 03/10/2008 4:34:59 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: Red_Devil 232
Red_Devil 232 wrote: "I do not understand how these and other idiots can adopt the tenets of the GoreBull church when there is more and more scientific evidence that comes out everyday and refutes the high priests tenets"

It's a puzzle, that's for sure. If someone had asked me last week, I would have said that they'd be the last people to buy into it.

24 posted on 03/10/2008 4:35:08 AM PDT by bd476
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To: bd476

Immediately I think; What’s in it for these guys? What will be their gain?


25 posted on 03/10/2008 4:37:05 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: bd476
Anyone here old enough to remember Hadacol?

"Hadacol was a patent medicine marketed as a vitamin supplement. Its principal attraction, however, was that it contained 12 percent alcohol. . . ."

Big seller in dry regions of the Border States and the South where beer and whiskey were not allowed. No one knew about that 12 percent thing -- or didn't care. It made them feel good.

The Federal Trade Commission complained that Hadacol's leeringly prurient ballyhoo ("The Hadacol boogie makes you boogie-woogie all the time") is "false, misleading and deceptive" in representing the nostrum as "an effective treatment and cure for scores of ailments and diseases."

Does just feeling good for awhile count?

Don't know why I thought of Hadacol. . . .

26 posted on 03/10/2008 4:37:19 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Virginia Ridgerunner: “Uh...why are Southern Baptist leaders concerned about the Global Warm scam at all.”

Good point. The Bible reveals the world is already scheduled for destruction and will be like an old, used up garment by the end times. Although we should use God’s creation responsibly, we should be about winning souls, not “fixing” this world.


27 posted on 03/10/2008 4:38:38 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Member of CRAM - Conservative Resigned to Accept McCain)
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To: Red_Devil 232
I do not understand how these and other idiots can adopt the tenets of the GoreBull church when there is more and more scientific evidence that comes out everyday and refutes the high priests tenets

Follow the money...

28 posted on 03/10/2008 4:39:03 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: ought-six
ought-six wrote: "Maroons."
Yep, it doesn't seem like they arrived at a well thought out and logical conclusion if they were given all the facts and had time to review them.

29 posted on 03/10/2008 4:40:54 AM PDT by bd476
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To: rhombus

Don’t bunch all Baptists under your blanket. I am a member of a BMA Baptist church that strongly opposes the “Man-Made Climate Change” myth.

The SBC goes through wild swings - from relatively conservative, to liberal, then usually has a swing back the other direction.

You can tell when real Bible-Believing men are in charge - and in this case - when they are not.


30 posted on 03/10/2008 4:41:37 AM PDT by TheBattman (LORD God, please give us a Christian Patriot with a backbone for President in 08, Amen.)
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To: driftdiver
"Too afraid to stay and discuss it?"

1 Timothy 2:12

Nope, but I disagree with St. Paul on this and several other points. Fire away.

31 posted on 03/10/2008 4:42:09 AM PDT by Enosh ()
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To: bd476

There are some good guys on that list. Also some very notable absences. Glad the absences abstained from getting involved in the propaganda.


32 posted on 03/10/2008 4:45:03 AM PDT by Blogger (Propheteuon.com)
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To: Cincinatus
Cincinatus wrote: "Always comforting to see that stupidity is non-denominational."
Well it pains me to agree with you on that point because some of my dear ancestors and kinfolk were well placed in the aforementioned denomination.

However, in this particular case Cincinatus, I believe that you have hit the nail squarely on the head.

33 posted on 03/10/2008 4:46:45 AM PDT by bd476
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To: Enosh

Disagree with the Apostle Paul and the Bible itself? That isn’t a good sign...

Picking and choosing what parts of the Bible are what we will believe, and those we will ignore is.... dangerous.


34 posted on 03/10/2008 4:47:21 AM PDT by TheBattman (LORD God, please give us a Christian Patriot with a backbone for President in 08, Amen.)
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To: bd476

Don’t they have anything better to do?


35 posted on 03/10/2008 4:49:07 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he used to say: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: rockinqsranch
rockinqsranch wrote: "Immediately I think; What’s in it for these guys? What will be their gain?"
Nothing, absolutely nothing is my guess. People want to feel they're doing the right thing. They were sold a bill of goods, snake oil, if you will, and they bought it.

36 posted on 03/10/2008 4:50:17 AM PDT by bd476
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HELLO BAPTISTS!! The TRUTH shall set you free!

You undiscerning, blind sheep! Falling for the biggest hoax/fraud/deception of the 21st century.

37 posted on 03/10/2008 4:50:22 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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"Picking and choosing..."

Luckily, St. Paul told us in his letters which parts were his own opinions and which were the Lord's directives.

Feel free to disagree with St. Paul's personal scribbling.

38 posted on 03/10/2008 4:54:09 AM PDT by Enosh ()
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To: Enosh

“Nope, but I disagree with St. Paul on this and several other points. Fire away.”

God doesn’t require our agreement, only our compliance. But he gave us free will to argue and wail about his laws.

Seems that like several others you’re just interested in taking cheap shots at Christians and not the actual news article.


39 posted on 03/10/2008 4:54:42 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
WilliamofCarmichael wrote: "...Does just feeling good for awhile count? Don't know why I thought of Hadacol. . . ."
It sure does count. That's an excellent point and a good example.

It's just sad that a very large, high profile, politically active, conservative group was led into this nonsense and that they now believe it.

40 posted on 03/10/2008 4:55:45 AM PDT by bd476
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To: bd476

Never trust anyone who uses the word ‘proactive’.


41 posted on 03/10/2008 4:55:59 AM PDT by Crawdad (If you're in a fair fight, your tactics suck.)
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To: Blogger
Blogger wrote: "There are some good guys on that list. Also some very notable absences. Glad the absences abstained from getting involved in the propaganda."

That's good, Blogger. We can count our blessings for those not in attendance. Maybe they'll convince the others.

42 posted on 03/10/2008 4:57:33 AM PDT by bd476
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To: bd476
It's morally apprehensible to spread fear and cause undo economic stress.
43 posted on 03/10/2008 4:57:39 AM PDT by wolfcreek (Powers that be will lie like Clintons and spend like drunken McCains to push their Globalist agenda.)
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To: Crawdad
Crawdad wrote: "Never trust anyone who uses the word 'proactive'."

That said it all. :-)

44 posted on 03/10/2008 5:00:16 AM PDT by bd476
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To: bd476

Looks like LEftist have infiltrated the Southern Baptists as well. Fight them. Don’t let them use this wedge issue to get a toehold.


45 posted on 03/10/2008 5:00:25 AM PDT by Clock King (Bring the noise!)
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Don’t bunch all Baptists under your blanket.

Um...OK but between Huckabee and now this... I've had a belly-full of Baptists this past year with their floating crosses and grand ideas. Hey, I certainly agree Baptists like any other religion are free to believe whatever they want and to follow whichever Hucksters rocks their world. I'll just repeat my warning... keep your hands out of my pocket to pay for self-righteous good-deeds. Render your own coinage to Caesar - not mine.

46 posted on 03/10/2008 5:00:39 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: bd476
The signatories pledged to do their part to fight global warming "without any further lingering over the basic reality of the problem or our responsibility to address it. Humans must be proactive and take responsibility for our contributions to climate change--big and small."

It looks like the Southern Baptist leadership needs "adult supervision." They cannot recognize a hoax and fraudulent claim. This is not to say that we do not have a responsibility for responsible environmentalism. We do have a requirement to husband our resources, but accepting the scientifically UNSUPPORTED premise that mankind is responsible for global warming is sad indeed.

47 posted on 03/10/2008 5:01:23 AM PDT by olezip
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fightinJAG wrote: "Don’t they have anything better to do?"

You'd think.

48 posted on 03/10/2008 5:01:24 AM PDT by bd476
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Several prominent leaders in the Southern Baptist Convention said Monday that Baptists have a moral responsibility to combat climate change -- a major shift within a denomination that just last year cast doubt on human responsibility for global warming.

Forty-six influential members of the Southern Baptist Convention, including three of its last four presidents, criticized their denomination in a statement Monday for being "too timid" in confronting global warming.

"Our cautious response to these issues in the face of mounting evidence may be seen by the world as uncaring, reckless and ill-informed," the statement says. "We can do better."


Late to the party as always. They need to stop aping the world.
49 posted on 03/10/2008 5:02:09 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: driftdiver
"God doesn’t require our agreement..."

St. Paul's opinions are not God's laws.

"...cheap shots at Christians"

Only Baptists in this case. They bought into this stuff and thus open themselves to ridicule.

(FYI, I was raised in a Baptist church.)

50 posted on 03/10/2008 5:05:12 AM PDT by Enosh ()
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