CAN YOU
HEAR ME
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Posted on 03/11/2008 9:33:27 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
Yes, there are some good Chinese companies making good products. In fact lots of them. In fact more and more US manufacturers are relocating to China everyday. Ones that do not need to. But China also has a very aggressive program to become the leading manufacturer in the world. They basically will give you the land to build a plant on if you relocate. They will also insist, however, that you share your manufacturing technology. And they will get to choose certain people you must hire.
And more likely than not, the relocated US manufacturer is actually going to hire a subcontracting firm to make their product, unless it is one of the big boys like CAT or GM, so they are not really manufacturerers anymore.
Plain old "cant" (an unsettled or unproven idea, argument or assertion endlessly repeated). Why don't you wise up, Ari? More former free traders are coming to the conclusion that the ongoing destruction of U.S. industry will eventually enslave us to mercantile nations.
You know, rudeboy, that there is no true free trade between nations. There are various degrees of freedom of trade. The U.S. is way up there near the top of that list.
Then there are our trading partners, like Japan, that practice adversarial trade. Take for example the massive dumping of TV sets by Japanese conglomerates in the late 1970's that drove out most all US TV manufacturers (except Zenith, which hung on 10 years longer). At the time, U.S. trade representative Robert Strauss knew about the dumping but did nothing to stop it. Why, I wonder?
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Average income in 1962 was about 3500-4000 per year, houses, in CA, cost about 8000 for a 2 bedroom one bath home at that time. That means I only had to work two years to earn the money to buy a house(if I managed to save it all). Today, the average income is about 50,000(correct me if I'm wrong)and houses are about 300,000. So now I would have to work 6 years to earn the money it takes to buy a house(if I managed to save it all). Times are not better, times are not even the same they are worse. Food, gas and all goods, except for a few electronic items, cost more comapared to what we make than they did in 1962.
Even though freetraders don't want to admit it, manufacturing is good for this country and not munaufacturing goods will be the downfall of our economy.
China on the other hand is not outsourcing their goods, they are making them as fast as they can produce them, and reaping the benefits, while we have idiots in this country saying it makes our country better not to build things. BS.
I hate NAFTA and Free Trade as is currently practiced. Our markets are open...the competition closes its markets and is subsidized by their government in most cases.
Yes- when the Republican presidential nominee spits on manufacturing and its workers...what a sad day for America.
Where did a so-called freetrader say it was bad for the US to have manufacturing? Maybe you have a link?
Since, the Chinese were allowed to dump their cheap crappy products on the market, they have driven out American competitors so we have no choice but to buy their garbage. I bought a Vizio TV from Sams because it was manufactured in the US.
McCain did...see above. He is so going to lose.
How could you compare the Chinese government which murders and enslaves its people with the US government? I wish you would go live in China-after all it’s just another location-not much different than the US right?
Actually, NAFTA has caused more illegal immigration. Many small Mexican farmers were driven off the land by Mexican companies trading with the US because of NAFTA-these people had no jobs and no where to go so they headed across the border. NAFTA increased illegal immigration.
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No he didn't. See above.
He is so going to lose.
Yeah, Hillary and Obama will bring back manufacturing. Just like Granholm did.
bye bye McCain.
But if you were a manufacturer would you stay in this country the way the U.S. government and liberals treat businesses especially manufacturers?
The U.S. and state governments should be lowering taxes , laws and regulations on businesses not threatening them with more taxes, more regulations, more global warming laws, and telling them they are oppressing the working class, polluting, and gouging people etc.
All these environmental laws, taxes, regulations, and other laws (OSHA,affirmative action,), law suits from personal injury lawyers, unions etc have handicapped U.S. business.
China on the other hand gives away free land to manufacturers and asks them you need a road here and builds it for them.
The people and government in the U.S. should realize that private manufacturers and private businesses are what gives us standard of living and they should demonize them but attempt to attract businesses by lowering taxes and regulations.
What are you whining about now?
McCain seems oddly out of touch on some issues. Perhaps he is getting Proxy Errors, too.
Fleece Trade.
I wish that Obama or Hillary would make trade more fair, sadly I fear you are right. However, either of them will have to do something if they run on this issue...they got to get re-elected. McCain will probably worsen the situation by making more irresponsible trade deals that put Americans out of work. He will ratify the Mexico/ US super highway deal for example. He would most likely not be facing re-election. Boy there are no good candidates in this election.
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