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The Wright Dust-Up Shows and Proves That Many Whites Don’t Know Black People at All
Black America Web ^ | March 16, 2008 | Deborah Mathis

Posted on 03/17/2008 11:41:36 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The eruption of outrage, shock and fear that is flowing over Barack Obama’s campaign like hot lava because his pastor has preached some strident sermons tells us one thing for certain: Many white people don’t know black people at all.

If they did, they would know that Rev. Jeremiah Wright of Chicago is hardly the only black minister who uses the pulpit to rant against racial duplicity and injustice. The black church has always been the place for letting our hair down and speaking our peace -- a safe haven from the criminations outside. It’s how and why the black church became the nursery for the freedom and civil rights movements. Not every minister seasons his or her sermons with political commentary, and not every one who does is as fiercely spoken as Rev. Wright, but there is nothing unusual about the black clergy as social agitator. Guess the shockees didn’t know that.

It seems they were also clueless that, when race, racism and discrimination do invade the pulpit, it is not always in the context of forgiveness and humility. Much of black America is resentful, angry and distrustful -- rightly so, some of us would say. Did the uninitiated honestly believe that slavery, lynching, Jim Crow, white resistance and flight, economic and educational duality, hyper-incarceration and yawning disparities in wealth, health and longevity have had no lasting effects; that all of that is really no big deal -- something we can kick off as easily as our Sunday shoes?

Surprise.

This could be a teaching moment for the society at large, which would do well to pay closer attention to 35 million of its members and to give heed to their accounts of their own experiences. Unfortunately, and typically, the alarmists are threatening to make it a Waterloo for Obama.

The candidate has denounced Rev. Wright’s statements about America’s treachery, honest as they were.

Obama has even removed his Wright from his ministerial council. That had to be painful for Obama, who has otherwise spoken devotedly of the preacher who “brought me to Jesus,” performed his marriage ceremony and baptized his daughters.

Those pounds of flesh are not enough for the alarmists, however. They and frothing pundit after frothing pundit want the candidate to rebuke Wright categorically -- mind, body and soul.

Obama is in the unenviable position of having to court a large and diverse audience -- the American electorate generally and Democratic voters particularly -- that includes a good number of people who have no knowledge of, curiosity about, nor sympathy for the black experience, while, at the same time, remaining true to what he knows about Rev. Wright specifically and the black church generally.

It’s a delicate balance, and Obama has tried to strike it, explaining to journalists that the anger and disdain expressed by Rev. Wright reflect common themes in “the black memory,” albeit not sentiments he shares.

In a fair world, Obama would be able to elaborate about the black perspective and thereby give some context to Wright’s comments and the facts of black expression.

But, then, in a fair world, there would be no racial divide to bridge. Of course, Obama’s detractors would never consider that.


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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This sure isn’t what Church is supposed to be about.


141 posted on 03/17/2008 12:49:44 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (WELL I SPEAK LOUD, AND I CARRY A BIGGER STICK, AND I USE IT TOO!)
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To: SaveTheChief
Would you please name one "lunatic right-wing Christian minister [that spews] anti-gay, anti-woman, anti-Arab, anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic, anti-science anti-human bile from [his or her] cable network and talk show"?

TNTC (too numerous to count).

142 posted on 03/17/2008 12:51:13 PM PDT by MurryMom
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To: Stentor

No,I think the elation among blacks over the OJ verdict was more along the lines of”Y’all got away with murder back when blacks and civil rights workers were being killed and now one of US got away with the same thing”
Healthy attitude?Of course not but if you ever sat around a bar or locker room with a lot of blacks you would know that many would tell you in a picque of honesty,”that n—— was guilty as hell”.


143 posted on 03/17/2008 12:52:06 PM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If they did, they would know that Rev. Jeremiah Wright of Chicago is hardly the only black minister who uses the pulpit to rant against racial duplicity and injustice.

It seems to me the word "white" is missing after the word "against"this sentence, as Rev. Wright's tirades certainly are NOT color blind.

144 posted on 03/17/2008 12:52:11 PM PDT by MortMan (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything. - Alexander Hamilton)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Did the uninitiated honestly believe that slavery, lynching, Jim Crow, white resistance and flight, economic and educational duality, hyper-incarceration and yawning disparities in wealth, health and longevity have had no lasting effects; that all of that is really no big deal -- something we can kick off as easily as our Sunday shoes?

Hmmm, did you consult the Bible and see what Jesus said about forgiveness? This attitude is at the core of black racism and enables charlatans like Jesse Jackson to manipulate you and laugh all the way to the bank.

145 posted on 03/17/2008 12:52:12 PM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

One other thing to explain to the author. These black seperatist always want to list all of the “evils” that have been happened upon the black man. What about my great great grandfather’s sacrifice on the battlefields of the civil war. He was a poor immigrant from Ireland who never benefitted or did anything to a black man yet was sent off to fight for the black man’s freedom. Meanwhile, he was escaping from Ireland because he and his ancestors were oppressed for hundreds of years by Britian.


146 posted on 03/17/2008 12:52:19 PM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No. I know them all too well.


147 posted on 03/17/2008 12:53:15 PM PDT by shaft29
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

So the Civil War was over slavery aye??


148 posted on 03/17/2008 12:56:40 PM PDT by sit-rep
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This type of guy uses historical events to rev up the congregation and is slim on current issues. Everything is Jim Crowe and slavery. They try to equate the present with the past. This is the type of poison that keeps black communities and youngsters down. Why succeed in school or career if the Man is racists?

I heard Jesse Jackson in the 70s speak to parents, teachers, and administrators in LA about their obligation and responsibility to do well in school and take responsibility for their own future.

We all see where he went from there. Except for people like Bill Cosby and Larry Elder, who is telling these people the facts of life, if this is a typical black minister?

149 posted on 03/17/2008 12:58:09 PM PDT by purpleraine
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To: MurryMom
TNTC (too numerous to count).

I asked you to name one. One is too numerous? You also need to produce proof of the misdeeds you claim. Otherwise you'll just continue to look like the leftist hack you are.

You made the accusation. Now put up or shut up.

150 posted on 03/17/2008 1:01:33 PM PDT by SaveTheChief (Chief Illiniwek (1926-2007))
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To: pgkdan
Well said: hate-mongers like Rev. Wright do not deserve the blessings of America.

Black racism persists because it relieves black liberals of responsibility for their own failures, and intimidates white liberals into a state of permanent supplication and apology.

151 posted on 03/17/2008 1:03:14 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Kill the terrorists, secure the borders, and give me back my freedom.)
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To: EyeGuy

Yes, I lived in Atlanta at the time and the OJ decision was an eye opener.


152 posted on 03/17/2008 1:04:06 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: fr_freak
The rest of her heritage has to be caucasian, yet she embraces the anti-white racism whole-heartedly. An interesting phenomenon.

The same could be said of Barry...

153 posted on 03/17/2008 1:11:58 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: MurryMom

Yowsa. I’ve only been here 3 years and I - like many other replies upthread - have never had the stomach-turning pleasure to read your crappy posts directly.

But - in my three short years - I do know that you are a legend. A legend for all the wrong reasons.

So allow me this opportunity to introduce myself. My name is Responsibility2nd and I think you’re an idiot.


154 posted on 03/17/2008 1:12:08 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: USS Alaska
My two black neighbors go to nearby bi-racial Christian Churches and in talking with them, they don't want anything to do with the bigoted talk that come from crazy uncle jerry's mouth.

According to the Black Value System taught by Obama's church, your neighbors would be guilty of "Middle-classishness," which is sort of like being Uncle Toms.

155 posted on 03/17/2008 1:12:49 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: sit-rep
"So the Civil War was over slavery aye??"

You mean the War of Northern Aggression don't you???

156 posted on 03/17/2008 1:14:50 PM PDT by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Many white people don’t know black people at all."

Is this meant to imply that there exists some secret reason why blacks are entitled to be racists, a reason somehow kept secret and unbeknownst to whites?


I haven't turned on my TV in the past 5 decades that there wasn't something on about the "black experience". It's on TV every day, countless movies, newspaper articles by the millions. Does the writer of this article think we've been in hibernation for 50 years, and are seeing the problem?

We can all read. We can all watch TV. We all live in America and have been going through the evolution of civil rights for more than 50 years. One would need to have been living in a cocoon for 50 years to not know what blacks want. We've heard every gripe, complaint, and charge of racism and entitlement that could be formulated into words and rage in the English language.

White people don't need to "know" blacks to be able to understand that the rev Wright meant in his hate-filled rhetoric from the pulpit. Playing the race card is all too common and is usally a one-sided game with a stacked deck.

Yet, there are those - like obama himself - who still insist on peeing on our shoes and telling us that it's raining; Wright didn't make any bones about it, he came right out and said it. Obama has bragged repeatedly on his "rev wright" and what he meant to his life...we all know the drill here.

They're saying now that if the superdelegates choose hillary, there will be "riots in the streets". Well, isn't how Chavez and other dictators get their positions?

Many white people don’t know black people at all? Well, maybe the problem is, that we do know.

Ya know, no one is responsible for liking any of us...it's our responsibility to behave in such a manner that we are known, trusted and liked by others. To believe otherwise is entitlement gone awry.


157 posted on 03/17/2008 1:15:39 PM PDT by FrankR (It wasn't FOX news who shined the spotlight of truth on Obama....WRIGHT?)
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To: rednesss
My grandfather could have been awarded one or even killed, but thankfully we dropped 2 atomic bombs and ended the war before he had to ship out.

Talk to folks of this generation - particularly those who served in the armed forces and who were slated to go overseas (My Grandfather too!) - and you won't find much sympathetic talk. I read "Semper Fi, Mac" - an oral history of the Pacific conflict - and found that (while the language was pretty salty, as befitting Marines) it was pretty insightful as to what people who were actually there, thought.

For an interesting read, bone up on "Operation Olympic" - the codename for the invasion of the Japanese home islands. It planned for the 2nd and 4th Marine divisions to spearhead the invasion. By H+36 (36 hours into the invasion) neither of these divisions was mentioned in the planning, because they were expected to be annihilated.

Interesting food for thought. But don't count on someone intent on rewriting history to pay much attention.

158 posted on 03/17/2008 1:15:47 PM PDT by wbill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just another attempt to blame whitey. The author takes absolutely no blame for the 70% out of wedlock births among blacks or the rampant black on black violent crime or any of the black community’s problems.


159 posted on 03/17/2008 1:16:05 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Many Black people don’t know (these kind of) Black people at all too!

I’ll tell you this, most of my Black friends were shocked by this episode. I’ve spoken to a 1/2 dozen or so close friends, who happen to be Black, who could not believe what they heard. Only one of my friends had even heard rumors about “this type of Black preacher.” They were all in agreement that the churches they attend are “nothing like what Jeremiah Wright’s chruch was like.”

What really shocks me most is that Obama would be a member of a church, for 20 years, where his own (white) mother would likely be pretty uncomfortable.

Matthew Reid
http://www.Rice2008.com
McCain - Rice 2008
(McCain: Reluctantly) (Rice: Strategically)


160 posted on 03/17/2008 1:20:16 PM PDT by ElephantMan (sorry, no smart a$$ tag line today)
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