Posted on 03/17/2008 7:54:33 PM PDT by NotChosenName
It was a horrible, shocking, unnerving experience. Reading some of the things Barack Obama's pastor has said, I suddenly saw something with which I completely agree!! He said five days after 9/11: "We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye...." His point: Chickens were coming home to roost. I agree. We certainly committed terrorism and murder when we dropped two atomic bombs on open cities in Japan. And, as Ron Paul has said, correctly, re: 9/11: The terrorists were over here because, first, we were over there in their part of the world sticking our nose into fights none of our business. Finally, none other than God Himself tells us in Galatians 6:7: "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."
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You schmuck.
That’s a good point. However, I don’t think Lofton cares to know the facts.
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Welcome to Free Republic, douchebag!!!
The Japanese also sell us Nintendos and Cell phones, now.
That makes a good point:
LibDems agree with Wright.
Problem for them is the great majority of Americans don’t.
Notchsenname signed up on 3-3-08. Interesting.
As opposed to closed cities in Japan?
Morons like you twist every single known fact thus requiring a lesson in basic logic even before your lunacy can be dissected. Baffle with BS would fit well as your middle name.
Really good post, Mark. Glad I don’t need that hug, but the poster of this thread sure needs it.
You point bears repeating, with amplification.
Curtis LeMay was charged with developing a plan for the bombing of Japan before LeMay was aware of the atomic bomb.
His plan was to firebomb a new city in Japan every other day or so, starting from the north of the main island, working his way south. The projected invasion was supposed to be towards the end of September.
The estimated civilian casualties in Japan from LeMay’s plan was to be about 1+ million killed, 10 million injured or without homes - before one US serviceman set foot on the main island. After the infantry hit the shores, we expected at least another million Japanese to be killed, and at least 100,000 US soldiers/Marines to be killed, with at least a half million casualties.
Every Purple Heart that has been issued to US uniformed servicemen since WWII has come from the supply of Purple Hearts we ordered for the invasion of Japan. We’ve not run out yet. We didn’t expect the invasion to go easily, even after burning their cities to the ground.
The people who blovate about the US use of atomic bombs on Japan is simply ignorant of history, or rather, ignorant period. They assume that the war would have somehow magically ended without large loss of Japanese lives, in complete contradiction to the established facts and stated intents of the Japanese militarists.
The revisionists who decry the use of the atomic bombs like to ignore the fact that we had a plan in place, with logistical support, planes, ordnance, etc, that was created before we knew the atomic bombs would succeed. These people seem to think that we didn’t, that in absence of the atomic bombs, something else that the unconditional surrender of Japan was going to happen. It wasn’t. The way in which Pearl Harbor was attacked, coupled with the way that the Imperial Army had conducted itself in warfare in the Pacific, sealed Japan’s fate. There was no alternative to unconditional surrender, and the US was willing to kill as many Japanese, both in uniform and civilians, as necessary to attain full and unconditional surrender.
Second point that needs to be made: Even after the US had dropped two atomic bombs, the militarists came very close to overthrowing the emperor and seizing all control of the government. Even after being bombed with horrific new weapons twice, the militarists were ready to fight to the death. It was by luck and narrowly decided circumstances that the emperor’s words were broadcast to the population of Japan.
The Japanese got lucky when we bombed them twice with atomic bombs and shocked the emperor into over-riding the militarist who were willing to sacrifice the entire Japanese nation for their fantasy of victory even when they were crushed. Had the militarists successfully deposed/overthrown the emperor, many, many more Japanese would have been killed.
Count me as one. My Dad was a 1st Lt with the 21st Marines, recovering from his wounds on Iwo Jima when he got orders they were going to be in on the assault on Japan. At the time, the Marine Corps estimated they would have 1 million casualties with a full-scale invasion.
I am personally grateful that the atom bomb ended the war.
I think you hit the proverbial nail on the head with that one. One million people were reportedly murdered in Rwanda. Had the US intervened and only 100,000 lives were lost what do you think the story would have been? It would not have been that 900,000 lives were spared, that much is certain.
That might have been the headline if a liberal were in power, but not a conservative. The story would have been American hegemony, imperialism and wholesale slaughter of the innocent. Slick bombs Christians in Serbia out of their minds and all was silent on it here at home. I don’t recall seeing a daily parade of bad news and a reporter camping out at every building that was bombed giving us a count of how many innocent Serbians were killed. Perhaps I just missed it, it never happened or the media was complicit in only telling us what would advantage their particular political bias.
Loften and you can both GFYS.
Apart from saving the lives of thousands or tens of thousands of American servicemen we also saved countless Japanese lives with those bombings. The Japanese were committed to fighting to the last man, woman and child. Literally. There is more than enough evidence that they would have done that. In order to take Okinawa and the main island of Japan through conventional methods far more Japanese would have died.
The author is an idiot who believes compassion is about how you feel not about the results of your actions. This kind of thinking is at the root of all suffering.
Anyone who really thinks that is clearly oblivious as to the history of the fight for Okinawa.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved Japanese lives.
Bingo. Exactly so.
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