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Do presidential candidates undergo Security background checks? If not, WHY NOT.

Posted on 03/21/2008 1:38:54 AM PDT by cpforlife.org

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To: Kozak

“Because the Constitution enumerates the requirements to be President, and “security check” isn’t one of them.”

That’s how it is.

But do you think such a check could look like ?
Let me guess how a computer program to determine this would look

boolean check_candidate( Candidate x ) {
/* assume everybody who’s not clearly
* identified as beeing good is on
* the axis of evil. So invalid is default.
*/
boolean is_candidate_valid = false;

// Top three NO GOs
if ( x.party != “GOP” ) return false;
if ( x.religion != “CHRISTIAN” ) return false;
if ( x.skincolor < 0xFFFFFF ) return false;

// Things that qualify as candidate
if ( x.age > TOO_OLD_TO_HAVE_A_OUTER_MARRIAGE_AFFAIR ) {
is_candidate_valid = true;
}

if ( x.mind != “OPEN” ){
is_candidate_valid = true;
}

return is_candidate_valid;
}


41 posted on 03/21/2008 3:57:06 AM PDT by buzzer
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To: jude24
"There's a word for this.... I just wish I could remember what it was, when you questioned someone's loyalty because of their ethnicity...."

We here in FreeRepublic try to use the written word to communicate effectively ... and try to use our faculties to understand what others write.

I believe what Mr Ramsbotham wrote was an opinion based on what a person had done and not necesarily on what that person was.

Of course, it could be interpreted otherwise ... like, once a wife beater, always a wife beater, distrust anyone under 30, and a ton of et cetera's.

We are all a product of all that has gone before us ... and if experience is of any value .. then experiance is of all value.

42 posted on 03/21/2008 4:18:02 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: cpforlife.org
Presidents, and other Federal elected officials, are chosen by the People, not by the government.

The President runs the Executive Branch, not the other way around.

43 posted on 03/21/2008 4:18:18 AM PDT by Jim Noble (I've got a home in Glory Land that outshines the sun)
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To: cpforlife.org

WHY NOT?

Because at upper elite globalist levels and too many lower chunks and levels . . .

our society has been traitorously, UNConstitutionally suicidal for decades.


44 posted on 03/21/2008 4:19:10 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: cpforlife.org

Supreme Court justices are vetted more rigorously


45 posted on 03/21/2008 4:54:00 AM PDT by SMARTY ('At some point you get tired of swatting flies, and you have to go for the manure heap' Gen. LeMay)
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To: cpforlife.org
Many moons ago, as a Special Agent for the Air Force Office of Special Investigation (OSI) among my other duties, was that of conducting background security clearance investigations for both military personnel as well as civilians who worked for the AF.

Though at the time, we had few foreign born naturalized citizens when we did, it became a much more difficult process.

As more most American, depending on the level of clearance (Secret, Top Secret, etc.) we managed to learn just about everything there was to know about them.

Thus not surprising, many of those who hold high public office, would never qualify for even a Confidential-level clearance if they were subjected to the same standards as others.

Moreover, many would never want to have their past see the light of day.

46 posted on 03/21/2008 5:09:21 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All)
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To: kbingham
"That’s the point. If a background check were required, then any candiate could be deemed ‘failed’ by the committee responsible (’cause someone has to have that job), and that’s what the founders were seeking to avoid in any case.

I beg do differ.

As the President is CIC, all subordinates from the Chairman of the JCS to the lowliest Private, MUST necessarily be scrutinized prior to being given access to classified material.

Thus, I'm in favor of a requirement for anyone who will be holding office on a federal level (Including Congress as well as the POTUS) should be held to the same standard.

As for the "committee" you refer to, that's a no brainer.

Once a thorough background investigation is completed, then the final report is simply released in an objective manner and "we" the electorate would get to decide whether that person deserves to be trusted or not.

47 posted on 03/21/2008 5:18:17 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All)
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To: kbingham
“We have to make a specific strategy to take back media and professorships. We won’t do it naturally.”

I am not so sure that we will not do it naturally. The PajamaMedia has been fairly effective at getting out the word that would have been spiked 15 years ago. Much of the old media is dying. Much of the hypocrisy of the Universities is been shown for all to see.

We have to keep on pushing, and we will, but I am not sure that we need a centrally coordinated response, or that a centrally coordinated response would be as effective.

48 posted on 03/21/2008 5:22:13 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: WildcatClan
If there were to be security checks it would get very political in a very short amount of time. There would have to be parameters set as to what is acceptable and what is not. It doesn’t matter who does the check there is bound to be some bias and I am sure there would be a lot of things they would find on one and many they would “accidentally” overlook on others.

Not necessarily so (SEE my post #46)

There could easily be parameters pre-set, much as there is in place for anyone else, seeking a security clearance.

When I conducted same, there were a set criteria which was required to be addressed, such as verifying education, employment, citizenship, date and place of birth, etc.

While I agree on the subjective aspect and one which we utilized such as interviewing neighbors and co-workers, that one would not necessarily need be applied, and simply the facts relating to what one's pertinent background would need be looked into and reported on.

AS AN ASIDE, I'D LOVE TO SEE A COPY OF BARACK'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE AS IT IS BEEN SAID THAT A MUSLIM'S RELIGION IS SO NOTED ON SAID DOCUMENTS AS WELL AS WHAT IS LISTED AS RACE.

49 posted on 03/21/2008 5:29:27 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All)
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To: cpforlife.org
"Do politicians at a certain level simply get a free pass?"

I think that's it.

Do you want to be the LEO who runs the check on his boss?

Go ahead, and let us know how it all worked out for you.

50 posted on 03/21/2008 5:52:55 AM PDT by Designer
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To: cpforlife.org

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51 posted on 03/21/2008 5:56:28 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Lead all souls to heaven, especially those in most need of Thy Mercy. .." Angel of Fatima.)
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To: cpforlife.org

The POTUS is the one who “owns” the security clearance process because he is the chief of the Executive Branch of our government. If the American people elect a Manchurian candidate, that’s who runs the executive branch. In effect, the elections are the vetting process for security clearances for the President, the Vice President and members of Congress.


52 posted on 03/21/2008 6:09:26 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: MIchaelTArchangel
FACT: During the 8 years of the clinton administration, Hillary Clinto did NOT have a security clearance.

How, then, could she have had so much pertinent political/foreign 'experience' there?

53 posted on 03/21/2008 6:13:18 AM PDT by Carolinamom
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To: cpforlife.org

Apparently not. Slick Willy could never pass a security background check and he , well....

His illegal 6 week trip to the USSR during the Cold War would have disqualified him out of hand.

Heck, some people don’t think the same man came back from the trip. Reinforced by his handlers making sure any item he touched,ie, a drinking glass at a restaurant was removed. No medical records,etc.


54 posted on 03/21/2008 6:20:35 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: cpforlife.org

They only undergo what the Consitution says they must undergo.

1) Qualifications (natural born citizen, over 35)

2) Election

The background check is the political process


55 posted on 03/21/2008 7:28:00 AM PDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
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To: jude24
There's a word for this.... I just wish I could remember what it was, when you questioned someone's loyalty because of their ethnicity....

I call it profiling. You know. When the majority of crimes are caused by young black males, you begin to develop an instinctual distrust of young black males, particularly in certain environments. Jesse Jackson mentioned something along those lines, in saying that when he heard footsteps behind him at night, he felt relieved when finding out that the footsteps originated from a white person.

Or when the vast majority of terrorist acts are committed by young Muslim males, you tend to find it in your best interest to take a heightened security interest in such young, Muslim males.

56 posted on 03/21/2008 9:52:28 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: cpforlife.org
The Constitution clearly states the qualifications one needs to possess in order to be President.

from Article II, Section I.

“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

NOPE, nothing about passing a background check. And neither do I think such power should be ceeded to the flacks and flakes at Foggy Bottom.

When in doubt refer to the U.S. Constitution.

57 posted on 03/21/2008 9:59:20 AM PDT by allmendream ("A Lyger is pretty much my favorite animal."NapoleonD)
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