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When I die, I want to be a ballerina (Plastination of the Dead in California as an Art Form)
LA Times ^ | 22 March 2008 | Karin Klein

Posted on 03/22/2008 7:16:02 AM PDT by shrinkermd

...Sure enough, that's what Body Worlds is all about. The cadavers, (relatively) whole or in parts, are fascinating, sometimes beautiful and inspiring, and remarkably low in ick factor. They could be plastic or ceramic; when you see them, you have to keep reminding yourself that they're dead people, and then you get to pat yourself on the back for how well you're taking this. A practically skinless man is leaping over a hurdle, though given the lack of clearance, he is perpetually headed toward really hurting his private parts. His aerodynamically sliced brain, however, seems like overkill. There's no apparent educational reason for this. It is, I deduce, Art.

Likewise the giant posters of loving people (the theme of the exhibit is ostensibly the heart), inscribed with quotes from Khalil Gibran. What do these have to do with agate-like slices of brain revealing a stroke? Or the nerves, in a display case all by themselves and understandably looking a little frayed? Let's stop the pretense to poetic thinking. This is a curiosity, an informative bit of voyeurism, and that's good enough for me.

There's an archer and figure skaters, a flamenco dancer and a torch carrier, their athletically graceful poses (and paucity of skin) showing off their lean muscles, the interplay of bone and tendon and ligament. Of course, anyone's abs would look ripped if they weren't hiding under a pad of fat. And with a couple of notable exceptions, fat was banished. Finally.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: California
KEYWORDS: art; cultureofdeath; plastination; worshippingdeath

1 posted on 03/22/2008 7:16:04 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

What????


2 posted on 03/22/2008 7:20:07 AM PDT by Eurale
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To: shrinkermd; Eurale

My teenagers when to see the body show when it was in Raleigh.

Tickets were a bit pricey and they were not impressed very much - since it was their money they spent for the day.


3 posted on 03/22/2008 7:23:01 AM PDT by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: shrinkermd

I have heard that some, if not many, of the Bodyworks specimens were executed political prisoners and dissidents. Is there any truth to that?

I ask because most articles I have read about the exhibit have been nothing less than glowing, this one included.

APf


4 posted on 03/22/2008 7:24:43 AM PDT by APFel (Regnum Nostrum Crescit)
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To: shrinkermd

I saw one of the demonstratons is Houston, and it was worth every cent.


5 posted on 03/22/2008 7:25:16 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: shrinkermd

Seen it. They had a pacemaker on the wrong side of a cadaver’s chest at the beginning of the exhibit. Wish this had been around when I took anatomy, as it puts it all into a great perspective. Too bad the “angel” and a few others start to jump the shark at the end.


6 posted on 03/22/2008 7:27:23 AM PDT by Melinda
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To: shrinkermd

Mutter Museum in Philadelphia. That’s where I’m going. (We have a family plot in there!)


7 posted on 03/22/2008 7:35:19 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (VA is for lovers, but PA is the Saudi Arabia of coal.)
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To: APFel

There have been several articles posted here about it. Here’s one....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1971250/posts


8 posted on 03/22/2008 7:35:51 AM PDT by nuconvert (There are bad people in the pistachio business.)
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To: APFel

There are some copy cat shows that have been accused of still purchasing bodies of chinese “criminals”. The founder of Bodyworlds who does most of the plastination process said that they do not accept any bodies without provenance as to where they come from. However, there was a period of time some years ago that they may have inadvertently taken some chinese bodies.
Of these shows BodyWorlds is the most reputable.


9 posted on 03/22/2008 7:37:31 AM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: shrinkermd

Prop me up on the couch with a bag of cheese puffs and a Fat Tire beer; then just dust me off every few months.


10 posted on 03/22/2008 7:37:54 AM PDT by sierrahome (Hillary Clinton "America's Ex-Wife")
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To: APFel
I have heard that some, if not many, of the Bodyworks specimens were executed political prisoners and dissidents. Is there any truth to that?

My understanding is that some of the “Donors” came from China,so there was some question of who are they and where are the consent forms.

I saw Bodyworks when it came here last year(?). Some was interesting, some was creepy, and the rest was over the top.

11 posted on 03/22/2008 7:39:09 AM PDT by MAexile (Bats left, votes right)
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To: shrinkermd

I don’t know who put in the keywords “cultofdeath” and “worshippingdeath” for this post, but that is not what the Body Worlds show is about.

The show, if anything, is intended a celebration of the amazing workings and great versatility of the human body. Yes, it uses actual cadavers, similar to the way medical students and scientists use cadavers to gain necessary knowledge into anatomy and body constructs. And yes, there is a bit of queasiness involved in knowing that the displays you are viewing are all actual dead human bodies (from people who have donated their bodies to science through a donation program).

But they are presented as scientific models, and the plastination process does make them look a bit unreal — shiny and artificial.

If you look at it as a way to see the “wondrous machines” that our bodies are, it’s pretty fascinating actually. As part of a few physiology classes, I’ve seen medical cadavers and even preserved children who died from birth-defects such as acute encephalitis, so the plastinated bodies were actually nice-looking compared to those.

This has nothing to do with “worshipping death.” It has much more to do with examining life, studying a part of what makes us what we are.


12 posted on 03/22/2008 7:43:28 AM PDT by RepublitarianRoger2
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To: shrinkermd

Not even death can end the vanity of Baby Boomers ...


13 posted on 03/22/2008 7:47:24 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: shrinkermd

Disgusting.


14 posted on 03/22/2008 7:54:29 AM PDT by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: shrinkermd

http://www.bodyworlds.com/en/plastination/method_plastination.html


15 posted on 03/22/2008 7:56:08 AM PDT by SideoutFred (Save us from the Looney Left)
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To: Dog Gone

I agree. Saw Bodies revealed in Kansas City. It wasn’t meant as an art form but as a valuable teaching tool. Anyone who wants a job in the medical field should go.


16 posted on 03/22/2008 8:32:59 AM PDT by badpacifist (They say your head can be a prison Then, these are just conjugal visits.)
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To: Melinda
They had a pacemaker on the wrong side of a cadaver’s chest at the beginning of the exhibit.

Most of them go on the left, but they occasionally do get placed on the right.

-ccm

17 posted on 03/22/2008 8:37:55 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: Dog Gone; shrinkermd
I saw one of the demonstratons is Houston, and it was worth every cent.

I saw it last summer when I went to Houston to visit family. But I think some of the displays were not respectful of the donors. I thought the poker players sitting around a poker table wasn't dignified. The reaction of most children to seeing it was laughter.

18 posted on 03/22/2008 9:16:50 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative

I have to admit that when I heard about this in the past (and, indeed, in the recent past), I was really disgusted and grossed out. However, I am now studying to become a personal fitness trainer and am studying anatomy extensively. My yuck factor and my disgust factor are still there, I have to admit (this still remains mini-morgue material to me), but the temptation to go see this now, based upon what I’m learning (and marveling at...God is truly amazing!) is also there. I won’t go...but I’m tempted to!


19 posted on 03/22/2008 9:35:22 AM PDT by freepertoo
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To: Paleo Conservative

I didn’t have that particular reaction, but I guess I could understand kids feeling that way.

My main reaction was that I was expecting something like a frozen autopsy in progress, and it was nothing like that. It was instead of a way of truly appreciating the complex structure of our bodies that arguable involved elements of art.

I found it very informative, much more so than looking at color pages in an antomy book.

The one display of the complete nervous sytem alone, floating like a ghost was staggering.


20 posted on 03/22/2008 9:40:53 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

I am saddened by this, but I can’t really verbalize well what troubles me about these exhibits. It would seem to be in the same vein as Dr Kervorkian - death for its entertainment value for him. I recognize that these people aren’t in pain, but they are people.

I understand the need to have willing donors used in scientific research to study/cure human ailments. But this seems a violation of human dignity for no purpose but its entertainment value.

Heavens, American Indians fought for the right to bury Kennewick man with appropriate ceremony. We go to great lengths - 9/11 recoveries, for instance - to make sure those who die are treated with dignity.

But we Westerners apparently don’t give a care these days that these individuals are someone’s son, mother, brother, and even if they were willing to be exhibited in such fashion, can’t we avoid our baser nature in doing so? Those who are Christians also know we are God’s special creation and concern.

Frankly I think the same of Survivor, Fear factor, cage fighting, etc. Bread and circuses . . .

Flame on.


21 posted on 03/22/2008 10:32:04 AM PDT by Wicket (God bless and protect our troops and God bless America)
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To: Wicket

NO flames here. You said it perfectly.


22 posted on 03/22/2008 10:36:36 AM PDT by MarMema (kosovo will always be Serbian)
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To: IronJack

great post, thanks!!


23 posted on 03/22/2008 10:37:35 AM PDT by MarMema (kosovo will always be Serbian)
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To: Wicket

I can verbalize it. It’s an outrageous display of disrespect of the dead.

A society that does not respect the dead rarely respects the living, either.

Instead of respectfully buried or cremated, human bodies are now a freak show exhibit? It’s revolting, appalling, nauseating, and morbid.

There is nothing taught by this that could not be just as well taught with plastic scale models... except that human beings are nothing special, to be dissected like animals.

And that is, in essence the message - that humans are animals, doubly reinforced by the treatment of the dead and the actions of the living who would do such a thing.


24 posted on 03/22/2008 10:42:39 AM PDT by Content Provider
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To: Content Provider

I agree..which is why, as someone studying anatomy I would find it interesting to go...I will not go. These are dead people, regardless of how innocent it looks. I think I could understand this kind of display better if it was strictly for medical students or for those studying anatomy.


25 posted on 03/22/2008 10:47:22 AM PDT by freepertoo
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To: Content Provider

How can it be disrespect? These people volunteered when they were alive to be displayed this way.

This is entertainment in the same way Rush is entertaining. Yes there are laughs and humor, but underlying all this is the education of those who are there to see it.


26 posted on 03/22/2008 10:50:10 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Whether they volunteered or not, it is still disrespect. Women voluntarily get abortions - is that not disrespect of life? Others voluntarily submit to euthanasia - is that not also disrespect of life?

The act of consent does not mitigate the disrespect, it only means the consenting person disrespected himself in addition to the disrespect of the exhibitors.

Human corpses as a subject of entertainment is about as disrespectful as can be. It’s not a heck of a lot better than digging up skulls from graveyards and joking “Alas, poor Yorick!”

What it says is that human death is nothing special. That sentiment cannot be separated from saying that human life is nothing special. As I believe in a Creator that is unacceptable to me.


27 posted on 03/22/2008 10:57:46 AM PDT by Content Provider
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To: mamelukesabre

Double Disgusting, anyone that watches this should be ashamed!


28 posted on 03/22/2008 11:02:05 AM PDT by JSDude1 (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56306 "MoveON McCain" To find McCain's Sorros)
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To: Wicket

Not to mention the concern for these people’s Eternal Souls!


29 posted on 03/22/2008 11:05:05 AM PDT by JSDude1 (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56306 "MoveON McCain" To find McCain's Sorros)
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To: Content Provider
What it says is that human death is nothing special.

As a Christian, that is my belief. Once our souls have left our bodies, the empty shell means nothing. These are not humans. It is not a disrespect of life because there is no life here anymore! The former occupants of the body have moved on - hopefully to a better place.

30 posted on 03/22/2008 11:07:54 AM PDT by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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To: shrinkermd

Call me nuts, but I don’t think dead bodies should be displayed for admission at a shopping mall.


31 posted on 03/22/2008 11:11:22 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Content Provider
There is nothing taught by this that could not be just as well taught with plastic scale models... except that human beings are nothing special, to be dissected like animals. And that is, in essence the message - that humans are animals, doubly reinforced by the treatment of the dead and the actions of the living who would do such a thing.

Another great reply. Why couldn't I have said this???

Excellent, brilliant. Thank you!

32 posted on 03/22/2008 11:11:25 AM PDT by MarMema (kosovo will always be Serbian)
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To: mollynme

What makes human death special is that it is inseparable from human life. It is because human life is special that the shell left over at the end of that life should be treated with respect.

And I think you’ll find that Christians generally hold this view; it is why the dead get buried or cremated rather than simply tossed on the trash or ground up for animal feed.


33 posted on 03/22/2008 12:14:12 PM PDT by Content Provider
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To: shrinkermd

Plastination...

That is what Nancy Pelosi did to her face.


34 posted on 03/22/2008 12:39:35 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

Yep. She learned it from joan rivers.


35 posted on 03/22/2008 12:40:06 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: Dog Gone

“I saw one of the demonstratons is Houston, and it was worth every cent.”

I took my daughter to see the exhibit at the Witte in San Antonio. FIguring she wants to be a doctor I thought it would be a good thing to see.

She loved it.


36 posted on 03/22/2008 12:52:18 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Shouldn't the libs love a Hunter Thompson ticket in 08?)
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To: shrinkermd

I saw the exhibit. I thought it was tasteful, respectful, and valuable. I’ve even given some thought to donating my remains to a program like it.


37 posted on 03/22/2008 12:56:38 PM PDT by timm22 (Think critically)
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To: freepertoo
By the same token then, aren't open viewing in caskets at funeral homes macabre displays of disrespect?

I don't even know how you disrespect a corpse. I can get the concept or respecting one, but I think it's really is showing respect to the living who knew the invidual.

In many respects, it's like looking at stuffed animals on display at the Natural History Museum, although there the added element of that these people were actually frozen in time, forever on display.

Different people clearly will have different reactions to the concept. I found it fascinating, informative, and tastefully done, I have a much greater appreciation of how our body works.

I'm leaning toward eventual cremation. But if one this exhibits would prefer to display me as a keyboard commando, I'd be all right with that, too. They'd have to embalm or plasticize a bag of Cheetos at the display for authenticity purposes, though.

38 posted on 03/22/2008 1:00:44 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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