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Rethinking Is Urged on a Vaccine for AIDS
NY Times ^ | March 26, 2008 | LAWRENCE K. ALTMAN

Posted on 03/25/2008 9:49:46 PM PDT by neverdem

WASHINGTON — Researchers must go back to the drawing board before they can develop an effective vaccine against H.I.V., AIDS experts said at a scientific meeting on Tuesday.

And Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the top federal official responsible for AIDS research, agreed that more fundamental knowledge is needed about H.I.V. and the way the body and experimental vaccines respond to it before the goal of a licensed H.I.V. vaccine can be reached. Dr. Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, pledged to re-evaluate the use of all $1.5 billion his agency spends on AIDS research to come up with the necessary money.

“Everything is on the table,” Dr. Fauci said at the one-day meeting, a Town Hall-type discussion for vaccine researchers on how best to spend federal H.I.V. vaccine money in light of a budget that has been flat for several years.

“There is not an immediate solution to the problem,” Dr. Fauci said in an interview. But, he also said, the budgetary constraints mean that “we are going to have to justify what we are doing” and determine what steps to take after further discussions in smaller meetings with researchers.

The reassessment comes after last September’s widely publicized failure of what had been the most promising candidate for an H.I.V. vaccine. Many health officials believe that an effective vaccine would be the most crucial weapon in stopping the H.I.V. pandemic.

Scientists do not have a full understanding of why the vaccine failed, or why it was possibly harmful, in two large trials in the United States and South Africa. Dr. Fauci’s institute helped pay for the trials of the vaccine, which was made by Merck. Such failures have led a number of scientists to challenge the direction of federal H.I.V. research.

On Tuesday, the...

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aids; aidsvaccine; hiv; hivaids

1 posted on 03/25/2008 9:49:47 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

The question I have is; how can you have a vaccine that protects you against sticking your organ in poop? If you don’t get HIV you’ll surely get something else...


2 posted on 03/25/2008 10:37:56 PM PDT by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: babygene

They will also need a vaccine against heroin addiction.


3 posted on 03/25/2008 11:03:43 PM PDT by weegee (Famous moments in history: March 18th, 2008 “I have a bridge (to sell you)...” - Barack H. Obama)
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To: neverdem
Scientists do not have a full understanding of why the vaccine failed, or why it was possibly harmful

How long until this vaccine becomes mandatory for school children?

4 posted on 03/25/2008 11:04:21 PM PDT by weegee (Famous moments in history: March 18th, 2008 “I have a bridge (to sell you)...” - Barack H. Obama)
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To: neverdem
In other words, after spending zillions of dollars, they have nothing. Here's a free vaccines for you, guy: 1) don't stick your organ in poop, 2) don't shoot up heroin, 3) don't go to hookers.
5 posted on 03/26/2008 12:02:43 AM PDT by NurdlyPeon (New tag line in progress.)
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To: neverdem

one thing that really pisses me off about the gay-activist community is even with all the history of the medical research in this area, and the billions expended for it, that community still clings to the myth that in the early stages of the research, when the basic facts about the virus were being fleshed out, billions spent quickly then, by Reagan, were going to result in a cure and “save lives” - they weren’t

when, the simple truth of what he meant, when he was most mis-understood, is that risky sex leads to the risk of disease and only a change of behavior - faithful monogamy or otherwise condoms, always - can reduce or eliminate that risk

he understood far more than he said about the course, and the time-frames of the course, that the research would have to take - there would be no quick fix and spending as if there could be would not produce it

i don’t think he believed it would take this long, but hiv is a retrovirus and his knowledge and expert information he had was limited to advances in areas like polio and the flu; he at least understood it was not going to happen in his term, no matter how much was spent

yet, in spite of the limited progress today, he is still vilified for not having wasted dollars on duplicative research then

burns me up


6 posted on 03/26/2008 12:22:55 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: neverdem

Could it have been that all these guys that thought they were vaccinated decided to become extra-promiscuous during the study?


7 posted on 03/26/2008 12:26:59 AM PDT by Junior_G
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8 posted on 03/26/2008 1:43:12 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: Wuli
Also, at the beginning of the HIV epidemic there were a finite ( and small) number researchers and labs capable of doing the research. Educating more researchers and building more and expanding the facilities to do this research takes **time**. Ph.D.’s are not educated overnight, and even then it takes years more of working experience to fully develop an effective researcher.

Wasting billions was not going to speed this process.

Reagan was ( and is) vilified for this as well.

9 posted on 03/26/2008 2:12:54 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: neverdem

They want to spend our money so that they can continue their unnatural practices.


10 posted on 03/26/2008 4:37:17 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: neverdem

Typical white person. Typical garlic-nosed Italian. We know you are trying to kill off the blacks. That’s why the vaccine isn’t available yet. You’re just keeping it for the GD white Amerikans out there in KKK land.


11 posted on 03/26/2008 5:11:52 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Wuli

25 years later they still engage deliberately in risky behavior like barebacking and anonymous promiscuous sex.

This was never Reagan’s fault but I saw a t-shirt about it again in the past 2 weeks.


12 posted on 03/26/2008 10:49:45 AM PDT by weegee (Famous moments in history: March 18th, 2008 “I have a bridge (to sell you)...” - Barack H. Obama)
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To: Right Wing Assault

LOL!

Pastor Wright, is that you?


13 posted on 03/26/2008 10:53:48 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: weegee

“25 years later they still engage deliberately in risky behavior like barebacking and anonymous promiscuous sex”

even in that community, even early on, those that speak out openly and honestly were/are silenced

the book, the band played on, was written by a well-known s.f. “gay activist” who wrote, early on, about the stupidity of the gay-activist community in not fighting publicly against stupid behavior - he, a “gay” man demanded the bath houses be shut down - and the cowardice and collusion of public health officials who refused to use their knowledge to counter the stupidity put forth by “gay leaders”

he was shunned, then and afterwards as a “traitor” for just speaking the truth

his truth was as “vile” as Reagan’s - stupid behavior is stupid


14 posted on 03/26/2008 3:25:10 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged; Wuli
They want to spend our money so that they can continue their unnatural practices.

No offense, but that is such nonsense. Today many western nations like e.g. the United Kingdom are at the tipping point where heterosexual transmissions are surpassing those among gays. Which, in reality, comes down to a numbers game: You have maybe 3% homosexuals in any given population, probably half of that promiscuous, so even if we assume 2% promiscuous homosexuals, ~20% promiscuous heterosexuals (US / source: The Lancet) is ten times that.

even in that community, even early on, those that speak out openly and honestly were/are silenced

Depends. I found Stephen Fry's documentary "HIV and Me" (Fry is a British homosexual actor, who despite the title is indeed HIV-negative) a very balanced, sober (as well as sobering) assessment of the present situation.
15 posted on 04/25/2008 10:08:19 AM PDT by wolf78
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