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Obama HAS to Hate America or Lose 'Black Vote'
Publius' Forum ^ | 3/28/08 | Warner Todd Huston

Posted on 03/29/2008 12:29:26 PM PDT by Mobile Vulgus

On Friday, March 28th, Barack Obama made his latest stab at explaining away why he spent 20 years as a comfortable member of the volatile and racist Trinity United Church of Christ on the south side of Chicago. This was the church where Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Jr. bellowed sermons filled with hate for whites and the United States of America as well as a church that published anti-Jew, pro Hamas terrorist articles in church newsletters. And, like all Obama's other "explanations on this matter" this one leaves a lot to be desired.

This time, Obama tried his best to make us believe that he would have quit the church over Rev. Wright's racist, hate filled rants if the good Rev. hadn't retired first – even though it was only a year ago. In an excerpt from an upcoming interview CNN reports that Obama earnestly hoped to assure America that Wright's rhetoric was "outrageously wrong" and that his brand of “religion” would have caused Barack to quit the church had it continued.

The problem is, when you look at what Barack really said, it does not assure us that he would have left the church over Wright's obscenities any more than a child caught with his hand in a cookie jar could be believed should he say that it was the last time he intended to steal a cookie. It's easy to claim what you would have done after being caught at something. But the proof is in the pudding as history shows what was really done. Barack didn't leave the church over Wright or anything else. He sat in that congregation with his wife and children nodding his head and saying "Amen" to Wright's 20 some years of railing against the United States.

Barack talked about the controversy on ABC's "The View" and tried to sound as if he was somehow disturbed by Wright's long history of anti-Americanism and racist diatribes.

"Had the reverend not retired and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws, then I wouldn't have felt comfortable staying there at the church," the senator said.

To ferret out the real truth here, let's break Obama's claim down line for line, let's Fisk the rhetoric, if you will. (Barack’s words follow in bold)

Had the reverend not retired...

Barack says this as if Wright's retirement solved anything or as if the retirement was in response to outrage expressed by members of the church, an outrage that would have chastened Rev. Wright for his hate-speak. Here Barack is making believe that Wright’s retirement is consequential. However, it is none of these things, including consequential. See, the only reason Wright retired was to give Barack cover. The members of the church never saw anything wrong with Wright's rhetoric just as Barack and his family saw nothing wrong for nearly 20 years. Then came Barack's presidential campaign and the political calculation that Wright should retire was made to give Barack cover. In other words, this retirement was not in response to anything Wright ever said, only in calculation for Barack's viability on election day. Wright being “retired” was better so as to make Barack seem to have been rid of a potential embarrassment.

... and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country...

It would be news, indeed, if Rev. Wright had ever made such an admission. However, Barack's claim here that Wright has "acknowledged" his rhetoric is wrong simply is untrue. Wright has never repudiated his past rhetoric. Never. Not one time.

...for all its flaws...

Why is it we have to point out the fact that there are "flaws" in America? We all know there are flaws. Nothing is perfect after all. In fact, this little line was but a paean to those on his side that do think the USA is a bad, inherently flawed place. This little line was a tip of the Obama hat to those like Rev. Wright, haters of the USA.

...then I wouldn't have felt comfortable staying there at the church.

Now, notice the coda to his claims. He says he "wouldn't have felt comfortable staying there," right? But, notice that this is NOT saying he would have felt compelled to leave the church. Also, notice how this last bit seems predicated on the fact that Wright retired making his ultimate leaving of the church moot and unnecessary.

Obama does his best to deflect from the fact that Wright preached his hate for 20 years and Barack seemed to have felt perfectly comfortable staying at the Trinity United Church of Christ during that long amount of time. He never did leave the church and if 20 years of Wright's racist rhetoric wasn't enough to make him leave, just how much hate speak would Obama have had to listen to before he became uncomfortable enough to leave? And, why did that discomfort only arise after 20 years and conveniently enough just as he began to campaign for president?

Further more, Obama cannot claim to have been too upset at his "spiritual mentor" because Rev. Wright had an official role in the Obama campaign until just a few weeks ago. Wight was Obama's adviser to the campaign for outreach to African-American communities. So, Obama cannot claim to have felt too distant from his long time pastor.

But, here is the thing: Barack cannot refute Rev. Wright's racist ranting nor can he be seen being outraged by his church. If he did he'd lose a large part of the black vote that would feel he has turned his back on them and he would certainly lose black leaders that he only recently accepted into his fold.

Barack has left the realm of the candidate who is transcending race to the candidate who is representing race.

Barack HAS to be understood to be winking at the black community and saying on the sly that he does agree that America is hateful, America is racist, and America is a danger to the world, for this is the narrative from the leadership of the black community. This is the pot stirring that black leaders use to keep their constituents in a constant state of turmoil and outrage so that they will stay on the correct side of the issue -- as far as those leaders are concerned, at least. This is the plantation of hate of which black leaders in America are malevolent masters.

Unfortunately, their mode of leadership prevents American blacks from thinking independently enough to question the authority that black leaders claim as their own. This sort of Us against Them system of control is a common top down tool used to keep people under the thumb of leaders who have little else to offer. By keeping the focus on outsiders, scrutiny for those on the inside is foresworn. And what could be better than substituting the ease of finger pointing at others for the hard work of improving from within?

Lastly, what we have here is a Barack Obama who has signed on whole-heartedly to the finger pointing style of rhetoric that black leaders are so prone. This certainly makes the lie to Barack's claims of finding a moderate, middle way of compromise and working together to solve America's problems. It absolutely shows us that Barack has no intentions whatever of trying to found a new nirvana of bipartisanship.

This Wright incident has revealed that Barack Obama is not above signing on to the sort of anti-American rhetoric as espoused by the Farrakhans and Rev. Wrights of this nation. In fact he is quite eager to do so.

The only change the candidate of change offers is that folks who disagree with him should just shut up, change their minds and forget about what they wanted before Barack descended down to us from on high.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; blackvote; blameamericafirst; cone; democrat; liberationtheology; marxism; nobama; obama; president
A racist by any other name...
1 posted on 03/29/2008 12:29:27 PM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: Mobile Vulgus

The fact that Oprah’s Obama is a serious candidate for the White House is a testament to the irrevocable decline of the United States, but I don’t think the hapless Americans know that.


2 posted on 03/29/2008 12:32:16 PM PDT by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Some of you people are so ignorant:

The only way to love America is to hate it. ;-p


3 posted on 03/29/2008 12:33:19 PM PDT by Fox_Mulder77 ($15,000 to the first Trinity congregate to tell the world they saw Obama listening to Wright's venom)
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To: Theodore R.

The fight to close the borders to millions and millions of illegal invaders last year made that crystal clear. Including the fact that many of the battle lines were opposite of “conservative” politicians.


4 posted on 03/29/2008 12:34:32 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: Fox_Mulder77
The only way to love America is to hate it. ;-p

I guess I just don't love America enough then. LOL!

5 posted on 03/29/2008 12:35:45 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
“...for all its flaws...

Why is it we have to point out the fact that there are “flaws” in America? We all know there are flaws. Nothing is perfect after all. In fact, this little line was but a paean to those on his side that do think the USA is a bad, inherently flawed place. This little line was a tip of the Obama hat to those like Rev. Wright, haters of the USA. “

This shouldn't even be in here. There is no need to “apologize” for America to a nest of black racists.

We fought a long civil war with horrible casualties to end slavery.

When America was founded, slavery was the norm and government by the governed an aberration. You have judge people by the standards of their time, not by ours.

The continual carping by some minority members about issues like this disgusts me. If blacks want to solve problems in the black “community” they should do something about the incredible rate of illegitimacy and the absence of black fathers, instead of making an issue of ancient history and attacking whitey.

6 posted on 03/29/2008 12:36:05 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
This is the dichotomy and dilemma for the formerly Barry, now Barak, Obama. Stay with the race-based clowns who think they're latter day Black Panthers or ride the wave of PC-perfect-brain-addled Liberalism with the hopes that no one will notice. My advice is this. Barry should just say he's a punk from the present PC age learning from demagogues of yester year and that “who're you gonna believe “your ears or what I tell ya’s”.”
7 posted on 03/29/2008 12:38:29 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (If you share Wright's pews, you share his views.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

“This Wright incident has revealed that Barack Obama is not above signing on to the sort of anti-American rhetoric as espoused by the Farrakhans and Rev. Wrights of this nation. In fact he is quite eager to do so.”

As far as I am concerned, any Black that votes for this clown is a racist, and any White that votes for him is a fool.


8 posted on 03/29/2008 12:39:19 PM PDT by Gator113 (Obama has "changed" me. I am now "a Typical White Person”.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Tp paraphrase Gertie Stein...

An America-hater is an America-hater is an America -hater.


9 posted on 03/29/2008 12:40:38 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("There is no civility, only politics.")
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To: Gator113
As far as I am concerned, any Black that votes for this clown is a racist, and any White that votes for him is a fool.

I think you just described a huge portion of the democrat party.

10 posted on 03/29/2008 12:41:02 PM PDT by Rider on the Rain
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To: Mobile Vulgus

What’s a serious point is where racist osama hussein obama kept the Wright on as his campaign advisor. Wright only left the campaign in recent weeks because of the public’s introduction to the good reverand and osama’s racist past.


11 posted on 03/29/2008 12:41:28 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Mobile Vulgus


Obama basically attended anti-American anti-white hate rallies for 20 years. He took his daughters to watch. They were fed talk of aids being invented by the evil white people to kill blacks, that israel is a dirty word, that America deserved the atrocity of 9/11, and taught an attitude of "god damn america". All these statements were so out of character and contrary to the church that the entire audience whooped it up standing and cheering every time.

All Obama can say is the lie that he is being "taken out of context" and misrepresented. Obama has tried to run as a blank slate politician hiding marxist ideology. Wright has shown Obama's true colors, this his chickens coming home to roost.
12 posted on 03/29/2008 12:41:41 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mobile Vulgus
If he was so offended by Wright's remarks then why didn't he leave the church years ago? Because deep down he is of the same racist mindset as that racist ass preacher. Neither one of them are worth a nickel.
13 posted on 03/29/2008 12:45:20 PM PDT by infantrywhooah (Hold your nose and vote in November. Even McCain is better than the alternatives)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Obama can not explain this away. He is lucky that he is Black because had a Pastor of John McCain or any Republican had said such hateful things then they would have been done for. The media would not be making excuses for him. He would’ve been Trent Lotted all the way out of the race.

I think it is telling that we have had in the short span of weeks the clear demonstration of how truly unfit both the Democrat candidates are. Are these the best the self proclaimed party of “open mindedness” and the “little/working man” can provide? What they have been shown to be is the party of small men and self deceivers who do not have the substance themselves to become President without making up stories about landing under fire. That isn’t simply being human, it is about plotting to deceive on one hand and holding a deep hateful/divisive worldview on the other.

We have a man who will not pledge allegiance to his country and a women who will pledge allegiance to anything to win. Men have been called whores for less. It really appears that John McCain is already President and the rest is just pre-election entertainment. The Obama/Hillary show will soon end and John McCain’s Inauguration will begin because even the Democrat party when it comes down it can’t stomach electing either of these two.


14 posted on 03/29/2008 12:46:29 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Heroism is something that when it is manifest it is undeniable. The same can be said for cowardice.)
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To: Mount Athos

SATAN is a house divided.


15 posted on 03/29/2008 12:53:04 PM PDT by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

My guess is that when one follows the $10 million credit line one will find the real story


16 posted on 03/29/2008 12:53:21 PM PDT by DirtyDawg
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To: Mobile Vulgus

I will eat two Oreo cookies after dinner tonight to prove I’m not racist.


19 posted on 03/29/2008 12:59:28 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Governments hate armed citizens more than armed criminals)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
I look for Hillary to steal the nomination from Obama anyway so all this doesn't matter.
20 posted on 03/29/2008 1:05:05 PM PDT by kempo (H)
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To: sergeantdave

“I will eat two Oreo cookies after dinner tonight to prove I’m not racist.”

Who in the hell can eat only “2” Oreo cookies??!!


21 posted on 03/29/2008 1:05:48 PM PDT by Gator113 (Obama has "changed" me. I am now "a Typical White Person”.)
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To: DirtyDawg

“My guess is that when one follows the $10 million credit line one will find the real story.”

I agree with you 100%. But, is anyone investigating?


22 posted on 03/29/2008 1:07:44 PM PDT by Eurale
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Something we parents know quite well is that we had to watch quite carefully who our "kids" chose as friends. Bad people are bad influences.

As adults, friends and associates have immeasurable influence on us. And, it doesn't take too long to know where any potential friend is "coming from".

Similarly, it's no small wonder why parolees are not allowed to associate with known felons.

The influence of friends and associates on people is huge, and everyone knows this. Got life experience?

This is, of course, acutely the case in people interested in politics and power. (Think Obama and his buddy Jeremiah here).

No thinking person can sustain disbelief that Barack and Jeremiah didn't resonate philosophically (and deeply so) from the very get-go, 20 years ago.

23 posted on 03/29/2008 1:09:00 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Is Barrack Obama the man we want in charge of our national security? Never mind the fact that he and the other democrats have screwed up their own candidate selection process, does he have ANY pro-American credentials at all? How many of his votes in the senate have helped to strengthen America and it’s security against international murderers?


24 posted on 03/29/2008 1:20:00 PM PDT by Continental Soldier
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To: Continental Soldier
Couldn't have said it better myself.

The thought of Obama in charge of our national security scares me a lot. I don't trust him at all and all I can think of if he does win is Jimmy Carter but worse.

I hate to say this (especially here, LOL), but this is why I would take Clinton over Obama if I was forced to. Clinton is just as liberal as Obama is, but I think she would be tougher on national security due to the fact that she would want to prove that she can be tough on NS, despite being a woman. She also has the shame of the Clinton Name and how her husband messed up getting Osama. She would NOT want to continue that legacy.

With that said if either of them win I will be in mourning for 4 years. It is pretty depressing that our only salvation is McCain.

It's a very depressing election year. :o(

25 posted on 03/29/2008 1:28:23 PM PDT by MissyMa
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Obama HAS to Hate America or Lose 'Black Vote'

That's OK, The "US of KKKA" hates him!

26 posted on 03/29/2008 1:47:16 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Is Obama the AntiChrist? Otherwise, why are so many so mesmerized by a dimwit?)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

he is what he is ....nothing left to say


27 posted on 03/29/2008 1:49:44 PM PDT by HiramQuick (work harder ... welfare recipients depend on you!)
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To: DirtyDawg
My guess is that when one follows the $10 million credit line one will find the real story

My thoughts exactly. Tacking the credit line onto the mortgage loan is very questionable.
28 posted on 03/29/2008 1:52:37 PM PDT by callisto (CONGRESS.SYS corrupted...Re-boot Washington DC (Y/N)?)
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The dirty little secret is that black America is acting like a spoiled teenaged 'chile' acting up against its parents because of unfair treatment as a youth. Like the kid who gets 25 piercings on their face, or the kid that smokes or does drugs, or acts like a slut against mom's and dad's wishes, this behavior is juvenile, stupid, and self destructive. But the problem is that the ignorance, the childishness, the stupidity of the child is supported by one parent, and the end result is the ruination of the entire family, not just the troubled kid.

Black America is a spoiled teenaged child, rebelling against the rest of America. And it's refusal to grow up and get with the program (and the rest of America's cowardice in enabling this behavior) is destroying the quality of life in this country. Our schools are crap, our culture is garbage, our neighborhoods are in decline, our middle and upper class kids act like wannabe gangbangers in the lowest of upbringings...When are we going to show the compassion and the love to slap the unruly child in the face and say "Enough is enough!"? "Grow up!"

29 posted on 03/29/2008 1:52:40 PM PDT by Captainpaintball (Past wrongs don't make Wright right.)
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To: Theodore R.
The fact that the 3 contenders for POTUS haven't are US Senators and haven't successfully managed anything in their lives is a better testament to the decline.

Heck, historically, senators suck at being President.

30 posted on 03/29/2008 1:54:23 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Mobile Vulgus
But, here is the thing: Barack cannot refute Rev. Wright's racist ranting nor can he be seen being outraged by his church. If he did he'd lose a large part of the black vote that would feel he has turned his back on them and he would certainly lose black leaders that he only recently accepted into his fold.

That may have been an issue when Obama started his career, but not any more. As the only Black Democrat likely to run for President or Senator from Illinois, he's got the Black vote tied up.

It's street cred -- respect for being a "real" African-American that Obama's looking for. Since Obama got elected to the Senate, it may be that he needs a link to what he considers "real" Blackness to bolster his own identity, more than he needs it to win anyone else over.

Barack HAS to be understood to be winking at the black community and saying on the sly that he does agree that America is hateful, America is racist, and America is a danger to the world, for this is the narrative from the leadership of the black community.

Maybe, but the other possibility is that he's winking at the White establishment and saying on the sly that he doesn't believe that anymore than they do.

31 posted on 03/29/2008 2:01:17 PM PDT by x
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To: Mobile Vulgus
...for all its flaws...

Senator Obama, please find me another country whose soldiers fight and die for freedom in other countries, and still lie buried in the thousands, with graves as far as the eye can see, in the countries yet enjoying the freedom Americans bled for them to have.

I'm still waiting...

32 posted on 03/29/2008 2:01:42 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Maelstorm

Do you remember the fuss over an old edict of the Mormon Church that had said that blacks could not be pastors? And the fuss was, how dare we elect a man who belonged to such a faith that had once had a ruling like that?

I am just wondering if Obama’s Chicago church would accept a white Pastor. What do you think?


33 posted on 03/29/2008 2:06:07 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Gator113

You can’t just say Oreo these days. There are so many variations on the shelf that one could have the peanut butter, mint or chocolate versions and be without any typical white stuffing. :)


34 posted on 03/29/2008 2:09:38 PM PDT by xp38
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To: xp38

;>)


35 posted on 03/29/2008 2:15:55 PM PDT by Gator113 (Obama has "changed" me. I am now "a Typical White Person”.)
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To: MissyMa

“...she would want to prove that she can be tough on national security...”

While you have made some good points, I disagree with the above. Once in the White House, she would do just what her husband did in matters of national security, namely, sell out to the highest bidder, put useful idiots in positions of national trust and, then, trust them to fail. Do the names, Albright, Burger and O’Leary ring a bell? Mrs. Clinton, like her husband before her, is in this ‘game’ for herself, for her personal gain, for all the trappings of political power that can swell her bank account.


36 posted on 03/29/2008 2:25:47 PM PDT by Continental Soldier
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To: Continental Soldier

Good points, I forgot about her cronies.


37 posted on 03/29/2008 2:31:39 PM PDT by MissyMa
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To: Mobile Vulgus

I think that Obama would get 99.9% of the black vote not matter what he said. They claim not to be monolithic but they are. However, I did not realize how hypocritical they are until now. I just read an article about Rev. Wright’s $1M+ house in suburban Chicago. The same article also mentioned Michele Obama’s urging of black women not to seek jobs in corporate America (which presumable pay better) but to seek jobs serving the community. How convenient, now that Michele and Barak are millionaires. (I have mine but you don’t need yours). What hypocrites!


38 posted on 03/29/2008 2:49:45 PM PDT by notbuyingit2
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To: Maelstorm

He would’ve been Trent Lotted all the way out of the race...............
or Don Imussed all the way out of the race.


39 posted on 03/29/2008 3:13:34 PM PDT by cornbreadmuffin
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To: Mobile Vulgus

That headline is absolutely right.


40 posted on 03/29/2008 3:14:13 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Maelstorm
The media would not be making excuses for him. He would’ve been Trent Lotted all the way out of the race.

A perfect example of the extent of hatred that resides on the left- and just how pervasive it is to include, of all things, the entire media complex.

But, I predict a change coming soon. Denver in August may spark it when Hillary steals the nomination- but so what, there are a lot of 'typical' Americans who are fed-up with these God D*mn America types who've been pampered and coddled way too long.

My only hope is that Sharpton and Jackson will be there to receive a few well-deserved baton blows while inhaling tear gas. When Hate America meets Love America, it ought to be interesting.

41 posted on 03/29/2008 4:50:18 PM PDT by budwiesest (What's with Billy Jeff's hair these days? CottonCandyHead.)
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To: Continental Soldier
Mrs. Clinton, like her husband before her, is in this ‘game’ for herself, for her personal gain, for all the trappings of political power that can swell her bank account.

There are two things I wouldn't want to be if Hillary gets elected: a cigar importer or a thong manufacturer.

42 posted on 03/29/2008 5:22:23 PM PDT by budwiesest (What's with Billy Jeff's hair these days? CottonCandyHead.)
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To: notbuyingit2

However he is at the same time alienating the rest of us and he can not win with liberals and blacks alone and in the end that is all he will have left. He is somewhat in a worse position than even Hillary. People are used to the Clinton’s telling lies and half truths. It is expected.


43 posted on 03/29/2008 6:10:18 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Heroism is something that when it is manifest it is undeniable. The same can be said for cowardice.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

I’m thinking it’s time to look for another country. This land will never get over its white guilt and, out of it, such high tolerance for idiocy and hatred, why even worship of the most vulgar elements of the underclass sub-culture. Get out of here or else go slumming with ebryboddy else!


44 posted on 03/29/2008 6:16:11 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("I am like...Dude......do you really....like want the Sex?")
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To: Yaelle

I’m certain that they would not. A southern black church would probably be open to it but never in a Northern enclave of liberal blacks like Chicago or Philly. I’ve attended Black Baptist churches and they are very open and accepting. I don’t think I’ve ever received more hugs to welcome me to a church as I did at one of the local churches I went to. I’m pretty certain that aside from one mixed couple that my family was the only white one there but to be fair most churches tend to align themselves ethnically. I don’t think it happens by plan but more by natural inclinations of people to find comfort in the company of people that resemble themselves.

The most diverse Church I ever attended was in LA but it was a church were you had to have a strong idealogical foundation and a desire for teaching so it didn’t just appeal to people based upon kiddie activities and social gatherings like so many churches (even the best intentioned) ones do. I still like to attend church there when I’m in town. I don’t feel socially assaulted there and pressured to break out into hallelujahs. I can find comfort and joy in believing in Christ without the trimming.

I still like my local Baptist church but there are a lot of things I just don’t need to believe that it offers and that is ok. Those things are there and are good for those who need them. Fellowship is something that is important but what is fellowship for me resides not just within the church walls. We all have our roles and that is something we all could learn a little better. Each and every one of us should be striving to be more Christ-like. Sadly too often once we join organized religion we find what we are striving for is to make others just like us.


45 posted on 03/29/2008 6:29:07 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Heroism is something that when it is manifest it is undeniable. The same can be said for cowardice.)
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To: cornbreadmuffin

Yes indeed. The difference is Lott was innocent and Imus was just an insensitive dolt like he always had been. There is one good thing that has come from the Rev. Wright fiasco and that the race police might do well to spend a little more time in black communities teaching their own (the way they seem to see it not I) about racial tolerance.


46 posted on 03/29/2008 6:32:46 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Heroism is something that when it is manifest it is undeniable. The same can be said for cowardice.)
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To: budwiesest

The best thing that could happen to the black community is if this would end their loyalty to the democratic party. That loyalty has did more to corrupt the dream of King and others who fought and died for civil rights. Instead now the dream is argued in terms of handouts and social programs. Where is the strong individualism and honor of the black community of the past? It certainly isn’t reflected in the current Democrat party. (nor Republican for that matter)


47 posted on 03/29/2008 6:39:02 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Heroism is something that when it is manifest it is undeniable. The same can be said for cowardice.)
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I disagree with everything you replied with.

First of all, t is NOT axiomatic that he get all the black vote tied up just because he is the "only black Democrat" running for president. Not but a few months ago most blacks wouldn't vote for him because he was "not black enough." If Hillary had been able to keep that support, Barack would have been history. It was the white vote that brought him to this point, not the black vote that only recently went his way. So, saying he got the black vote JUST because he is black is not quite right.

Also you said this...

"Maybe, but the other possibility is that he's winking at the White establishment and saying on the sly that he doesn't believe that anymore than they do. "
This I also disagree with. He isn't winking at whites saying he doesn't really believe it. From statements about how they hate America from his Marxist wife, and his constant harping on how bad everything is -- even as he pretends to be positive and the agent of "change" -- it pretty much shows that he agrees 100% with the racist Jeremiah Wright.

If Barack become president we will have 4 years of scolding whites for how racist they are. It will be AL the Obama presidency will be about.

48 posted on 03/30/2008 5:42:25 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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Not but a few months ago most blacks wouldn't vote for him because he was "not black enough." If Hillary had been able to keep that support, Barack would have been history. It was the white vote that brought him to this point, not the black vote that only recently went his way. So, saying he got the black vote JUST because he is black is not quite right.

Okay, I was wrong in saying that Obama's getting those votes because of his color. My point, though, was that Obama doesn't need this particular church or Wright's message to establish credibility with Blacks. And I stand by that. He's won those votes by now and they didn't go to him because Blacks knew that he went to Wright's church.

I'm not sure that your analysis is entirely right, either. If Hillary led early on among African-Americans, it's because she had name recognition. Once Obama became a more familiar face, Black votes came to him. It's not like he doesn't have great political skills. Obama's not going to repudiate Wright, but that has as much to do with reasons of his own.

He isn't winking at whites saying he doesn't really believe it. From statements about how they hate America from his Marxist wife, and his constant harping on how bad everything is -- even as he pretends to be positive and the agent of "change" -- it pretty much shows that he agrees 100% with the racist Jeremiah Wright.

I said it was a "possibility" that Obama was "winking" at the White establishment just as much as at disaffected or radical African-Americans.

Obama's not going to appoint Wright to his cabinet. His appointees won't be that different from Clinton's. They'll be drawn from the establishment of the Democratic Party.

In that sense, Obama may well be "winking" at the Democratic establishment, to let them know that he won't be as much of a departure as many fear.

49 posted on 03/31/2008 1:06:54 PM PDT by x
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