Posted on 03/31/2008 2:49:21 PM PDT by Delacon
On the eve of the New Hampshire primary, while other Republicans were talking about taxes, the economy or immigration, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., was talking about the environment.
"I will clean up the planet," he told a group of Concord voters. "I will make global warming a priority."
A little later, a chunk of snow fell from a nearby rooftop and landed near the senator, who didn't skip a beat: "That's that climate change right there."
McCain is betting that his record as the rare Republican addressing global warming will bolster his appeal to Democrats and independents. It's a tricky balance. He has tried to find common ground in an area where there is little to be had.
While big business has been open to some environmental pushes, seeing potential new markets and technologies to tap, most still resist new regulations and mandates. Green groups, on the other hand, tend to see the situation as too dire for any half-measures.
McCain senior policy adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin says he is trying to focus on the issue while still being pragmatic.
"He wants to have something that he will be able to implement (as president)," Holtz-Eakin said. "His view of the lay of the land is that (his) cap-and-trade (proposal) has political viability."
Myron Ebell, director of energy and global warming policy for the free-market Competitive Enterprise Institute, says that is likely. No other candidate has a better shot of getting his plan enacted.
"The Republicans in Congress will not be able to oppose a President McCain. The leadership in both Houses will follow him," Ebell said. "If it is a President Obama or Clinton, Republicans will have every reason in the world to say, 'We're gonna fight this.' "
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Yeah. It's called "Spring."
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A very important part of the reason why I say he will likely lose in November, although his chances vis a vie Obama are far better than they would be against Clinton.
> the rare Republican addressing global warming will bolster his appeal to Democrats and independents
No doubt - and the second part of the reason...
And this in a nutshell is why McCain shouldn’t be president.
“The Republicans in Congress will not be able to oppose a President McCain. The leadership in both Houses will follow him,” Ebell said. “If it is a President Obama or Clinton, Republicans will have every reason in the world to say, ‘We’re gonna fight this.’ “
It’s like trying to beat the Democrats by promising Government programs. They can always outbid you. Tax cuts. They can’t outbid us on that. Freedom from regulation for small business. They can’t outbid us on that. School vouchers. They can’t outbid us on that. Right to freedom of speech, freedom to exercise your religion, freedom to bear arms . . . they won’t outbid us on that. Etc.
The global warming thing is a bunch of poppycock. And a loser since the people that think it’s poppycock won’t run to McCain and the people that think it’s true will run to the Dems who will nationalize everything to get rid of emissions.
Mitch McConnell will be my president, assuming he stays right on the issues, no matter who is in the White House.
I don’t mind doing my part, as long as it is my decision. I use cfls where they make sense and I don’t where it doesn’t. I don’t think some idiot should tell me what make sense and what doesn’t.
Electrical shock treatments are out of the question, but I say give the looney some lithium, that might cure his deluded grandiosity.
“He wants to have something that he will be able to implement (as president),” Holtz-Eakin said. “His view of the lay of the land is that (his) cap-and-trade (proposal) has political viability.”
Wide open about cap and trade here. McCain’s becoming an Obama.
Days ago McCain complains Obama and Clinton are not talking about “climate changes” (i.e., cap an trade) enough. Now his peeps are floating the idea only a Republican president could get this through.
This tells us that McCain is desperately seeking Wall Street money and tacitly arguing it should go to him rather than the Dems.
Stupid is, as stupid does......stupid.
I am trying. I really am.
I read his foreign policy speech and found a couple of things I thought were good and tried to ignore the portions about things like global warming and working within the international framework (i.e. - let the UN dictate or at least obstruct us).
I gave him the benefit of the doubt on immigration when he said that he would go with enforcement before addressing the illegals still resident in the country.
I believe him when he says he now supports the tax cuts he opposed in the past.
But this global warming hogwash coupled with his wholly repugnant assault on the constitution by way of “campaign finance reform” is making it really, really, really hard for me to keep it up.
The only thing that keeps me going is that the thought of an Obama or Clinton presidency coupled with a leftist legislature will spell disaster for the nation. A McCain presidency might put some roadblocks on the leftist agenda (especially given the amazingly incompetent leadership that Reid, Pelosi, et. al. have shown). But when he talks about this global warming tripe I begin to think a McCain presidency might be more of a speed bump than a roadblock. An awful lot will hinge on his VP choice.
This will be the story of the next four years. One terrible left-wing initiative after another adopted by a President who does not understand what he is doing, Dems eager to extend the jackboot one step further, and 10-20 craven RINOs in the senate. We will lurch further to the left under McCain than we do under either Obama or HRC because McCain will bring the RINO's with him.
That's why it's such a close call between McCain and the dems. One surrenders to Al Qaeda. The other destroys the homefront. I'm not sure who does more damage.
McCain will crash the economy to please his left wing buddies. He’s a republican Jimmy Carter.
Legislating a false market, that he and others in the know will get rich on....
Senator Lugar has already turned one of his farms into Hard Walnut trees, apparently they are most efficient scrubbers of CO 2. He's registered them on the Chicago Climate Exchange, just waiting for cap and trade.
Thats the Political Viability
“A little later, a chunk of snow fell from a nearby rooftop and landed near the senator, who didn’t skip a beat: “That’s that climate change right there.””
You mean winter to spring? Yes, although “we” normal folk call it a season change.
Click on POGW graphic for full GW rundown
New!!: Dr. John Ray's
GREENIE WATCH
The Great Global Warming Swindle Video - back on the net!! (click here)
Ping me if you find one I've missed.
The ease with which McCain became a dupe of the “global warming” hoaxers is a primary reason I consider the man unfit to serve as President. I mean, how stupid can you get?
The socialism of the GW fraud might or might not affect poor ole John. It reminds me of trying to understand just what he means on economic theory too. But, perhaps he will actually realize that the sciene is not , not in cement for this nonsense. Perhaps he will then turn to TR’s progressive conservation ideas. Now that would play well in flyover country. Parks, heritage preserves, even some EPA understandings might just persuade ole John not to go down the ACORN, Green Party, and violent tree climbers et al.
“The ease with which McCain became a dupe of the “global warming” hoaxers is a primary reason I consider the man unfit to serve as President. I mean, how stupid can you get?”
John McCain has been long enamored with financial instrument scams. Remember, he was one of the Keating 5.
Which is what makes him so dangerous.
“Credits?” Looks like McCain has been hanging out a bit too much with AG. From the article:
The bill would also establish a “cap and trade” market in carbon emissions. Companies that exceeded their required emissions reductions could “sell” their leftover allowances to other companies, allowing them to meet their goals. The overall cap in emissions would be gradually tightened.
McCain touts cap-and-trade programs as the best way to reduce emissions overall. He rejects a simple tax on carbon emissions, an idea favored by many greens.
He also calls for renewed investment in nuclear power, which produces no greenhouse gases. The McCain-Lieberman bill includes an estimated $3.7 billion in subsidies, the money coming from auctioning carbon permits.
I’ve made exactly the same point on this forum more than once. After four years of McCain, the country will, in all likelihood, be farther to the left than if either Hillary or Obama is President. The GOP will fight Hillobama tooth and nail, but neither they nor the Democrats will fight the loony lefty impulses of McCain.
The only reason that a conservative would vote for this POS, is because they are dumb enough to believe this baloney.
Go ahead and vote for him out of fear. You will get what you voted for, and be responsible for it happening.
The GOP is on, NO IT IS, on its way out.
He cannot be this stupid given all the info out there. CANNOT!
"I drank the Gore Cool Aid."
As a side note to AGW concerns, not only was the WTC said to be insured against terrorism, but I know that people started mentioning terrorism provisions in insurance policies after the WTC tragedy. So it's significant, in my opinion, when the insurance companies recognize a phenomena, at least from a statistical perspective.
And speaking of insuring things against statistically recognizable phenomena, please don't read the rest of this post if you like Bermuda Triangle stories.
The thing that killed my acceptance of the possibility that unnatural forces are to blame for the weird things that are alleged to happen at the Bermuda Triangle is not just what somebody said about the Triangle, but who said it. More specifically, a TV documentary about the Triangle killed my interest in the Triangle by noting that Lloyd's of London didn't recognize any statistical differences between ship tragedies associated the Triangle versus other ocean areas. So where there is no money to be made by an insurance company concerning a phenomena as there is with terrorism, then I've got no more time to devote to related issues, Bermuda Triangle documentaries in this case.
Back to AGW, if nobody is aware of any insurance policies containing provisions for AGW, then I'd be further inclined to disregard the scientifically unsubstantiated rants of AGW alarmists. I know that the word insurance doesn't appear on Wikipedia's Carbon credit page.
Carbon creditFinally, I don't do business with Lloyd's of London so my reasoning above may not hold water. So do Freepers know anything about AGW insurance?
For McCain, making a deal is more important than what's in the deal.
Teddy Kennedy explained it all to McCain as he rested his head in Teddy's lap.
Why not? It isn't as if he embodies the base.
“I will clean up the planet,” he told a group of Concord voters. “I will make global warming a priority.”
I am so sick of stupid politicians.
“Senator Lugar has already turned one of his farms into Hard Walnut trees, apparently they are most efficient scrubbers of CO 2. He’s registered them on the Chicago Climate Exchange, just waiting for cap and trade.”
Oh yes, another con-game on the backs of the taxpayers by our heroes, the ruling elite.
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Interesting take. I did work in the insurance industry a while back but I am by no means an authority. 911 wasn’t as cut and dry as you may think btw. If I recall correctly, the companies who covered the WTC initially came out and said that the terrorist attack wasn’t an act of war which was supposed to cover such things. They backed off after realizing that the PR damage and government intervention would be worse than the bill. The catch with “global warming” is that practicly everything that could get worse from global warming is already covered by most insurance companies in their standard policies one may choose to have. Flooding, landslide, tornadoes, hurricanes are called “acts of God” and are usually covered in most policies. Now what would change if there is a real change in the environment will be the actuarial tables and how much everyone has to pay for their coverage. But this happens all the time anyway. Try buying insurance down around New Orleans right now. It got WAY more expensive. But you have a good idea.
Similarly, I hope when he sees the economic havoc climate change legislation will bring, he'll come back to earth.
On the other hand, his hero TR established as a legacy the national park system, and I think McCain sees his plan to "clean up the planet"in the same vain.
Of course, I worry that the leader of our country can fail so miserably in evaluating information. Who is influencing him so? That's scary.
It was fantastic news that the EPA director deep-sixed the plan to classify CO2 as a hazard to be regulated. It'll take a while to overturn that. Meanwhile, scientists keep voicing their opposition to man-made climate change. I'm hoping common sense may turn the tide before something idiotic happens.
Your remark concerning "acts of God" with respect to an issue that's supposed to be a consequence of man's folly raises another question.
But before we get to the question, bear in mind that I'm trying to feel out how real AGW is to insurance companies. The question is blunt, but given your experience working for an insurance company, please don't take it personally.
Have you heard of any insurance company trying to weasle out of paying an insurance claim on the basis of AGW?
Given the idea that there are insurance companies who would argue anything to try to get out of paying a claim, if there are no companies who have tried to use AGW as an excuse not to honor a claim, then that's another reason to doubt the reality of AGW, in my opinion.
Yep. I haven’t decided yet whether I’m actually going to vote for the Dem, or whether I’ll chicken out and vote 3rd party or write-in, for President.
On the one hand I don’t want McInsane to win, but on the other I don’t want to give the Dem a big margin.
I’ll be a chicken and go third party. A write-in is difficult in Florida since the name has to be registered in advance with the Supervisor of Elections or the whole ballot can be invalidated. What I know for sure is that I couldn’t look at myself in the mirror if I voted for either the Dem, whoever it ends up being, or McCain.
I’m with you. I don’t actually know the rules for write-ins in PA, but I’m going to find out. If it’s not possible and there’s a third-party candidate I like I’ll go that route.
McCain's Letter (McCain aligns with Global Enviro activists)
The Turning Point on Global Warming (McCain and Lieberman Op-Ed Alert)
Climate bill sets stage for debate (Sens. McCain, Obama, and Lieberman join forces)
McCain: Global warming is fact, must be addressed [hurl alert]
McCain Sides With Leading Dems on Global Warming (NH voter reminder ALERT
EIA's Analysis of the Lieberman-McCain Climate Change Bill Human Events
McCain's Nose-Under-the-Tent Strategy - McCain's "Climate Stewardship Act" (S. 139), co-sponsored with Senator Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.)
Kyoto Through the Back Door? A Debate on the Lieberman –McCain Climate Stewardship Act - Heritage Foundation
Promising Vote on Global Warming - "But Mr. McCain, as we know, does not give up easily. ... He promises to be just as tenacious on this issue."
That is why I’m not voting for McCain - I need for the Republicans in Congress to have an opponent they can openly fight, not someone who will cut them off at the knees...or higher.
“What I know for sure is that I couldn’t look at myself in the mirror if I voted for either the Dem, whoever it ends up being, or McCain.”
That’s EXACTLY the way I feel about it.
On November 5th I’ll wake up with my self respect intact.
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