Posted on 04/04/2008 1:47:47 AM PDT by Dawnsblood
> Did you actually contribute to the statue in honor of these Bolshevik canaries-in-a-coalmine?
No, why would I?
Because you’re coming across as an apologist for those atheistic Communist scumbags, that’s why.
And when that happens, please don’t call me asking to support my fellow citizens.
They hate it when someone says it was (will be) God’s punishment, but.....
> If they were ‘aligned’ with the Free French, it was pure opportunism and you ought to know that. As for Tito, he was a Communist first, his alleged ‘independence’ from Moscow not withstanding.
They fought and died fighting Nazis all the same — which in my books makes them Good Guys: their unfortunate misbegotten ideology notwithstanding.
> The reason the U.S. opened the floodgates of lend lease to the Soviet Union was because FDR’s administration was shot through with Communists, and his own Vice President (Henry Wallace) was the epitome of a ‘useful idiot’ (as Communists define the term), thank God that f’in goofball got dropped from the ticket in ‘44.
And the reason why America opposed Churchill’s desire to keep the tanks rolling on to Moscow after Berlin fell was...?
> What you need pal, is to refresh yourself with the history of Communism, which ranks right up there with Islamofascism as the deadliest man-made political virus ever unleashed upon the Earth
No argument that communism is a bad thing. It isn’t the only bad thing.
The communists didn’t bomb London and send 6 million Jews to the gas chambers — the Nazis did. The communists didn’t bomb Pearl Harbor and rape & pillage their way thru Southeast Asia and the South Pacific — Imperial Japan did. Stalin never crossed swords with the West in anger, and in fairness we have the US to thank for that.
America obviously sees communism as being the major evil: I think that view would not be as predominant outside the US. Europeans and Commonwealth countries would probably rank Nazism and Fascism as being worse evils, by way of their direct experience during WW-II.
> Because you’re coming across as an apologist for those atheistic Communist scumbags, that’s why.
I have no use at all for Communist scumbags, and even less use for Nazis. Perhaps that puts it in perspective.
Islamofascism worse than Nazism? Really?
The truth is that dictators of any stripe are the biggest evil, regardless of political ideology. And the same will be true of America if it loses its checks and balances, whether the presidential dictator is on the left, the right or the center, Christian, Muslim, or atheist.
Freedom is the key. Always has been, always will be.
May I suggest you educate yourself about the war in Spain before making claims supporting communists and nazis - find and read The Last Crusade by Warren Carroll and you will find out that Franco had little use for Nazis, who frequently aligned with your communist heroes.
> May I suggest you educate yourself about the war in Spain before making claims supporting communists and nazis - find and read The Last Crusade by Warren Carroll and you will find out that Franco had little use for Nazis, who frequently aligned with your communist heroes.
May I suggest that you stop making assumptions about the quality and extent of my education? As I was not born, raised or educated in America it should be little wonder that my education and viewpoints will be different to yours. However, I can assure you that my education on the Spanish Civil War and on other matters is every bit as good and comprehensive and complete as yours — if not better.
As to “Communists” being my “heroes” — don’t be offensive. It makes you sound like the intellectual snob that perhaps you are.
Mark Steyn on Huckabee: “...Where I part company with Huck’s supporters is in believing he’s any kind of solution. He’s friendlier to the teachers’ unions than any other so-called “cultural conservative” which is why in New Hampshire he’s the first Republican to be endorsed by the NEA. His healthcare pitch is Attack Of The Fifty Foot Nanny, beginning with his nationwide smoking ban. This is, as Jonah Goldberg put it, compassionate conservatism on steroids big paternalistic government that can only enervate even further “our culture.” So Iowa chose to reward, on the Democrat side, a proponent of the conventional secular left, and, on the Republican side, a proponent of a new Christian left. If that’s the choice, this is going to be a long election year."
Enuf said.
You are correct. And Franco was not that close to Hitler as he was part Jewish and would never ally himself totally to the 3rd Reich..
This is actually a religious monument dedicated to the worship of “The God That Failed”.
The Commies have killed more folks than the Nazis - try on 100 million foir the Commies alone.
In all fairness, both ideologies are evil scum. The thing is that the extreme left does not get the condemnation it so deserves.
Unless you evaluate that whole experience in terms of the crimes the Commies in the Spanish Republic intended to commit nothing else makes any sense.
Put it this way, the Germans and Italians probably did the correct thing for that one time and supported Franco. It's noteworthy that by the middle of WWII (American time) Franco had repositioned Spain such that it was no longer counted as useful support by the Nazis. Franco also appointed a pro-English prime minister.
In the end Spain was spared the full horrors of what became WWII; their Jews were not taken to the camps; they avoided a national "gulag" that'd probably killed off several times the half million who supposedly died in the Civil War.
I'd say that on the whole Franco enabled Spain to get the best possible outcome out of a bad lot.
That doesn't mean he was a nice guy ~ but the people he faced were far worse.
Note ~ in the early period, when the Commies (under Stalin's orders) tried to take over Spain, Stalin was pretty busy having show-trials and purges.
Eventually he found himself involved in a series of wars with Finland. The Finns kicked Russian a$$.
All of this stuff was fairly distracting to the Red Army ~ probably one of the reasons Hitler and Stalin concluded a non-aggression treaty (and divided Poland between then).
Eventually, the "distractions" dried up and the Germans attacked the Russians about a month before the Russians had decided to attack the Germans.
Events in Spain were a mere sideshow compared to the main event which became called WWII.
At the same time, from the Swedish perspective, the Winter War and Continuation War in Finland allowed them to beef up and maintain neutrality ~ while the Finns rebuilt (while rehousing about half a milion refugees, no small thing in a small country).
Taking everything in context, the two great Socialist powers in Europe ~ the Nazis and the Commies ~ sought hegemony. They took many down with them. Only a few succeeded in making it through that period fairly intact in their traditions, customs, laws and geography.
What a stupid thing to say.
It's just a way to say dumb*ss using more words.
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You can't be serious. Two horrible opposing ideologies were fighting each other, that's all. The least worst side won. Franco was no saint, but it would have been far worse for Spain if the commies had won. At the same time the war was going on, Stalin was busy with his show trials and mass executions which totaled in the millions. This is just right after his policy of exterminating millions of Ukrainians through starvation by collectivization.
If the commies would have won, they'd still be uncovering the buried mass graves. As it was the Spanish Civil War killed about one million Spaniards.
> You can’t be serious
I am.
> Franco was no saint, but it would have been far worse for Spain if the commies had won.
And what of the rest of the world? You forget that Spain was Hitler’s dress-rehearsal. That is probably because you are American and there is a good-sized gap between the Spanish Civil War and WW-II. That is because America played hooky during 1939-1941 in the war against Hitler.
For the rest of the world, WW-II began just about the same time as the Spanish Civil War ended. Hitler had his dress-rehearsal in Spain, and he was ready-to-go.
> It’s just a way to say dumb*ss using more words.
What a stupider thing to say.
I can only make judgements about your lack of knowledge and education based on your posts - which certainly support my opinion. We aren’t arguing viewpoints but the fact of Nazism aligned with Communism to take control of Spain. I’ve lived outside the US for enough years to understand and appreciate informed differences in opinion, as well as to recognize ill-informed, willful or not, bombast.
For someone who has proven themselves proudly parochial in their education and information, resides outside the US, resents the US and presumably lives in some part of the world that has had their collective butts saved twice in the 20th century by the US, and owes their national security for the last 70 years to the benevolence of the US and our willingness to expend our wealth and spill our blood protecting you and your ilk - you certainly appear to have an extremely overdeveloped and unjustified delusion of your own wisdom, opinions and personal significance.
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