Posted on 04/04/2008 2:17:40 PM PDT by doug from upland
Aaron Tonken was a grand jury witness in New York when an investigation was conducted of Bill Clinton's last-minute pardon of fugitive financier Marc Rich.
Tonken is currently incarcerated, but he remains a defendant and perhaps star witness in Paul v Clinton. I don't know what he told the grand jury, but I hope we can someday find out.
Today, I discussed with a source, who has knowledge of the grand jury and had done work with Denise Rich, the Clinton claim of $109 million income in the 2000-07 tax returns they just released. It evoked big laughter.
My source cannot confirm that the money was ever paid, but the Clintons never do anything for free. In a face to face meet in late 2000, my source was directly told by Denise Rich that there was $200 million on the table for Clinton to pardon Marc Rich.
It may not mean a great deal, because he can travel where he wishes, but I would like to know if this can be verified. As soon as he left the White House, was Bill's first trip out of the country to Switzerland? That info must be somewhere.
Clinton was also involved with Jim Levin and a Las Vegas Company, Voyager Entertainment International. Levin may have gotten Clinton in on an insider stock deal, perhaps millions of shares, to get the stock at $.13 and flip it for a big profit. Clinton also may have done promotional work for the company. I would almost be willing to bet that the tax returns will show no such income.
Adding to that intrigue, when Levin is under oath in Paul v Clinton, he may be asked to comment on what he was telling some of his pals in Chicago --- that he did cocaine in the White House with Clinton. A source told me yesterday, "Well, if Clinton would have done that with anyone, it would have been with Jimmy." Levin, according to witnesses, has a secret book with the names of very important people and the women he provided for them. Is that why Levin has been protected and kept out of prison?
And finally, there is a reporter from a major newspaper on the trail of a story I gave him yesterday. Another source from Chicago is helping to create a roadmap of the $1 million Levin gave to the Clinton Library. That money may have come from funds he somehow managed to obtain from Brickyard Bank. Shortly thereafter, he had a $7 million bankruptcy.
Wow, Doug. Sounds like them.
I’d bet it could be Billions. The Chinese Military alone could be $200 million or more.
Prove it, and you’ve got a story.
They simply “miss-spoke” and are now “saddened”!
The Clintons just keep getting richer and richer. They started out the day with $50 million. They’re already headed up towards their first billion.
It’s possible. I guess. I’m starting to get skeptical of som of this “breaking news”.
I had a talk with a source, who I will not disclose, that Clinton got 18 trillion dollars for pardoning the Puerto Rican terrorists.
Clinton probably wanted Denise Rich on the table too.
To prove it would take having access to other private conversations, email, and bank wires. Show me how to be able to order the Justice Department what to do, and maybe we could prove it. The story is that Denise said this to my source face to face. The source will testify about it under oath if called.
You are getting further and further from the core issues related to the Stan Lee case and making flimsier claims each day.
Doug, please stick to solidly grounded, investigated and vetted information when throwing these accusation bombs out into the public media.
Man, get a grip on yourself, Jack Thompson doesn’t need more company.
Are the black helicopters circling overhead? Proof please.
18 trillion? I think you got the amount wrong.
Okay, that’s fair. I guess FReepers can determine whether they believe I really had a conversation with a source I deem highly credible, who told this story of the personal conversation with Denise Rich. They can also determine the level of credibility they will give to you.
The Rich family businesses could have transferred monies to foreign corporate entities that do not pay out money. Even if the monies were transfered to a entity the Clintons or other American politicians had access to through foreign legal corporations, it wouldn’t be declared income in the USA anyway.
‘$200 million on the table could mean just about anything’ or however it was phrased can mean many things, you AND your source are making unsubstantiated assumptions as to the meaning of the phrase. Could be $200 million in a charity that Clinton has been made part of, $200 million in dummy corporations outside US IRS jurisdiction, could be $200MM in a offshore investment vehicle with an end date payout with no income to principals until the investment vehicle is wound down, etc. If you can’t eliminate even one of the possibilities, than you can’t really make any assumption on the specific real meaning of the phrase Mrs. Rich supposedly said.
MAY HAVE????????? You are such a Christian.
Should I send them to you first?
Well, unless they actually release something more than just a press release of spin we’ll never know.
I’m sure I’m wrong, but wasn’t there a recently disclosed deal with a Canadian investor netting millions?
“Clinton probably wanted Denise Rich on the table too.”
Or under the table.
That would be in the 'Clinton Library Fund' but they won't release those records either. I imagine there is a lot of unknown sources of money in that fund (with no oversight). They are set for life.
I reported that I had a conversation with a person I deem credible, who told me of a face to face conversation with Denise Rich. Without having a government wire and the all the assets of the FBI, I guess i won’t be able to proof it. The story was the claim made by the source. No pardon like Marc Rich had ever been done before, and Clinton took a huge amount of criticism. He had to know the ramifications. How much money would be required for that criticism?
The foundation has received a huge amount of money. We don’t know that this money was ever paid. I believe my source who told me this conversation happened. Could Denise have just been trying to impress someone? I don’t know. I stand by the story that the conversation took place.
If Rich actually paid the money suggested by his wife, that money would have been deposited in a numbered account, not sent to the Lie-brary.
What I want to see is the accounting and donation records on the “Clinton Global Initiative” organization. Where the money came in, where it went, and were is it all stored.
Good points. Thanks Doug.
you know that already happened.
Lie-brary. Oh, you mean the Massage Parlor.
In the Caymans?
I don’t know the laws in the Caymans, but the Swiss banks are pretty good about protecting privacy.
The Mexican president used to be able to count on at least $1 billion walking around money when he left office ~ most of it to make sure he left the country.
Yes, the Clinton Foundation is a giant slush fund for the Clintons. They get their tax-free income there.
This is big. Thanks Doug.
I'm not sure my credibility is at stake on this thread.
I'm not doubting you had a conversation with some unknown person. Your judgment of their credibility is yours alone. It's quite a leap for us to accept the assertions as fact even if we want to.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I want more than "I heard this from someone else, but I won't tell you who" before I have the slightest comfort level with any assertion.
It was 18 trillion pesos...About US$12.58
Sometimes people will actually tell you things if they really trust you that their name will not be used. I’ve heard that the news business does that sometimes. And the FBI. Believe what you wish.
Asked why her tax returns might be so far off,
Hillary replied, “I did those after I was sleep-deprived.”
There are amazing profit opportunities when crooked lawyers control the Executive Branch of the only superpower.
I’m sure there are literally tens if not hundreds of these types of things that will not even appear in a Tax Return for years, if ever.
And these two scumbags were stealing White House fixtures, silverware and put out a shopping list for their ‘Friends’ to buy them more graft. It appears all these millions were just not enough to sate their greed.
The Presidency was very, very good to Bill. Too bad he didn't return the favor.
Actually we do hear about it. You need to understand all the current politicians need to publicly see this. They then understand when the Sauds, Chicoms, and corporate contributers want something, the get paid after leaving office for their favors. You are allowed only to see the tip of the iceberg in corrupt payoffs.
“I don’t know the laws in the Caymans, but the Swiss banks are pretty good about protecting privacy.”
In other words, 'Democrat politicians are greedy self-serving bastards who lie through their teeth.'
Unfortunately, to the 'American People,' that means "YAWN"...
I thought it was after she was water-boarded....
I think this is the difference between “declarable” money and the money that hasn’t been laundered sufficiently yet!
To prove it would take evidence, which you don't have.
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