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Army takes HK416s from special unit
Military.com ^ | 12 March 08 | Matthew Cox

Posted on 04/08/2008 5:33:15 PM PDT by LSUfan

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 416; army; banglist; m16; m4
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To: Travis McGee

6.5 Grendel does. Getting reliable 25 round magazines requires trial and error though.


121 posted on 04/09/2008 11:58:03 PM PDT by Old Dirty Bastiat
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To: Old Dirty Bastiat

Grendel is a better round, but if getting 25 rounds into a standard 30 round 5.56 mag is the goal....


122 posted on 04/10/2008 5:00:07 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: mamelukesabre

“Overpenetration? You’re a nut. Nobody cares about overpenetration from a rifle. So why should they care about overpenetration from a pistol?”

Because overpenetration doesn’t stop the enemy.


123 posted on 04/10/2008 12:38:28 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (If a mute swears, does his mother wash his hands with soap?)
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To: SLB

Coburn needs to be the GOP’s choice someday for POTUS !


124 posted on 04/10/2008 2:19:11 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.©)
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To: archy

LOL ....... I have same design big honkin muzzle brake with my JP muzzle brake on a TC Contender 45-70.......Fun !


125 posted on 04/10/2008 2:32:01 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.©)
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To: Travis McGee
But in the real world, that big fat slow .45 makes a big damn hole in bad guys, and dumps all of it’s energy into him. The 9mm hardball zips right through, and leaves most of its energy in the next wall.

Yep. Learned that from an instructor at USN gunnery school who was probably alive when the 1911 hit the market.

126 posted on 04/10/2008 2:39:31 PM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (Gone fishin.)
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To: 2CAVTrooper

Because overpenetration doesn’t stop the enemy.
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Well gee, I guess they better throw away all the M16 variant rifles then and issue tommyguns eh? Letsee, how the heck did we ever win ww2 with all those stupid overpenetrating 30-06 caliber rifles? Man, the army is dumb, they just don’t know anything about stopping the enemy do they?


127 posted on 04/10/2008 3:57:10 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: Squantos
LOL ....... I have same design big honkin muzzle brake with my JP muzzle brake on a TC Contender 45-70.......Fun !

Don't use sabots with it. Not even the plastic ones. Trust me on this.

But if you must, have somebody hold your beer, and watch when you try it.

128 posted on 04/11/2008 7:33:38 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: 2CAVTrooper
“Overpenetration? You’re a nut. Nobody cares about overpenetration from a rifle. So why should they care about overpenetration from a pistol?”

Because overpenetration doesn’t stop the enemy.

Well, there goes my favorite M829 APFSDS-T 120mm rounds...


129 posted on 04/11/2008 7:39:40 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: mamelukesabre
liquid-cooled M16A2 barrel in hopes of keeping the heat sig down?

Nope. Didn’t know that. That’s gotta add weight.

Sure does. But it also prevents gas tube burn-through, another M16 family problem after a half-dozen Beta-C mags or Chinese LXX drums are cranked through on ratty-tat.

130 posted on 04/11/2008 7:43:43 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: archy

It couldn’t damage the barrel, could it? Just shoots the muzzle brake off right? Hmm, maybe in a hand held pistol it yanks the pistol out of your hand? That’d be funny to see someone’s pistol flying down the shooting range.


131 posted on 04/11/2008 8:40:47 AM PDT by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: archy

Add mass to the gas tube, and some cooling fins. That’d be the easiest patch. Next, try better materials. Tungsten perhaps. A water jacket sounds like a crazy idea to me.


132 posted on 04/11/2008 8:52:43 AM PDT by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: mamelukesabre
It couldn’t damage the barrel, could it?

The result is similar to what's described as *baffle strike* in a suppressed handgun, when a bullet touches the edge of an interior baffle before exiting the suppressor's muzzle/wipe. Instant internal keyholing is not guaranteed with every shot, but remains a high probability.

Just shoots the muzzle brake off right?

Or through/out the side of it. Sometimes at a near-90º angle, not necessarily to the side. Wear safety-toed shoes!

Hmm, maybe in a hand held pistol it yanks the pistol out of your hand? That’d be funny to see someone’s pistol flying down the shooting range.

It's less funny if the strike causes damage/burrs that further damage and deflect following rounds. More funny when the muzzle attachment flies downrange in a M203 round-like trajectory.

133 posted on 04/11/2008 9:32:37 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: mamelukesabre
Add mass to the gas tube, and some cooling fins. That’d be the easiest patch. Next, try better materials. Tungsten perhaps. A water jacket sounds like a crazy idea to me.

The application was for a test fixture gun used for testing largish quantities of M856 tracer ammo for the M16A2. Why they didn't just use an M249 is unknown to me, but....

134 posted on 04/11/2008 9:35:35 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: Squantos
If we could only travel in time.......:o)

Your wish is my command. I've set the Wayback Machine for 05 March 1836, with coordinates for San Antonio De Valeria De Bexar, otherwise known as the Alamo....

135 posted on 04/11/2008 11:07:17 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: griffin
LOL! Is that guy on the lower right having mag problems??! :)

Just a minor training glitch. He wasn't paying attention during the hasty familiarization course, and thought he had to change magazines after every shot....

136 posted on 04/11/2008 11:08:37 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: Manly Warrior
I have a Ruger M77 270 win that I double charged with a reduced load of pistol powder (short range practice, and it held together-case head expanded about .050”, primer was never found and the bolt had to be beaten open with a leather hammer. I was too old to be turned over my Dad’s knee (I was about 15) but I got a very stern lecture about QC in the reloading process! I always do basic brass checks for case head expansion with my reloading endeavors.

As the late Phil Sharpe once wrote, and the Angels sing....

137 posted on 04/11/2008 11:12:23 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: Vinnie
I went to a tank practice shoot at Ft. Bragg several months ago.

Was surprised to find out the rounds used in the M1 Abrams are made of a plastic. That is the cartridge case portion.

When the breech is opened, the only thing spit out is the primer cup. It's about the diameter of a beer can and about 1 1/2 " high. of Everything else went out the barrel.

Yes, Damnit! The cases of our 90mm and 105mm tank rounds [some were still brass! most galvanized steel], sawed off and with handles made from a dummy .50 MG round or the handle of a M1918 LF&C brass knuckle knife brazed on, made a dandy 2-litre beer mug. And the primer tube inside was just the right diameter to serve as the body of a swell swagger stich, again using a .50 fired case, or that of a 20mm Marder or Vulcan round as the handle, culminating in a tip made out of a 7.62 [co-ax gun] or 5.56mm dummy.


138 posted on 04/11/2008 11:53:52 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: archy
For later perusal.

L

139 posted on 04/11/2008 12:01:29 PM PDT by Lurker (Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
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To: archy

Indeed.......dreams.


140 posted on 04/11/2008 1:11:28 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.©)
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