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A Mystery in the Middle East (Did Israel Really Find Saddam's WMD's & Bomb A Nuclear Reactor?)
Stratfor ^ | April 8, 2008 | 1807 GMT | George Friedman

Posted on 04/08/2008 7:04:26 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay

The Arab-Israeli region of the Middle East is filled with rumors of war. That is about as unusual as the rising of the sun, so normally it would not be worth mentioning. But like the proverbial broken clock that is right twice a day, such rumors occasionally will be true. In this case, we don’t know that they are true, and certainly it’s not the rumors that are driving us. But other things — minor and readily explicable individually — have drawn our attention to the possibility that something is happening.

SNIP

Rumors now are swirling that the Israelis are about to reveal publicly they bombed a nuclear reactor provided to Syria by North Korea. But this news isn’t all that big. Also rumored is that the Israelis will claim Iranian complicity in building the reactor. One Israeli TV station reported April 8 that Israel really had discovered Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction, which it said had been smuggled to Syria.

Why the Bush administration wouldn’t have trumpeted news of the Syrian reactor worldwide in September 2007 is beyond us, but there obviously were some reasons — assuming the TV report is true, which we have no way of establishing. In fact, we have no idea why the Israelis are choosing this moment to rehash the bombing of this site.... More

(Excerpt) Read more at stratfor.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: nuclear; nuclearreactor; rumors; sept6; syria; syrianraid; wmds
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To: LS

>>>>Read Charlie Wilson’s War

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1489385/posts
My Enemy’s Enemy: The Story of the Largest Covert Operation in History — the Arming of the Mujahideen by the CIA

bump


21 posted on 04/08/2008 7:54:20 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The pieces of the puzzle—Operation Orchard—are starting to come together.

http://www.seraphicpress.com/

Apr 7, 2008 21:57
‘Report on Sept. 6 strike to show Saddam transferred WMDs to Syria’
By JPOST.COM STAFF
An upcoming joint US-Israel report on the September 6 IAF strike on a Syrian facility will claim that former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein transferred weapons of mass destruction to the country, Channel 2 stated Monday.

Furthermore, according to a report leaked to the TV channel, Syria has arrested 10 intelligence officials following the assassination of Hizbullah terror chief Imad Mughniyeh
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1207486215610&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull


22 posted on 04/08/2008 7:57:20 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: Calpernia

According to Secretary of State Robert Gates 1997 book “From the Shadows” the CIA started giving aid to Islamic rebels in Afghanistan six months before the Soviets invaded. This was confirmed and detailed in an interview with Zbignew Brzezinski, Jimmy Carter’s National Security Advisor in 1998 in the French journal Le Nouvel Observateur. In the interview Brzezinski explained that Jimmy Carter signed an order on July 3 of 1979 to give aid to the mujahadeen and that he (Brzezinski) wrote Carter a note that same day saying “this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention”.

Not that Brzezinski objected. To the contrary this is how he answered his interviewer’s question on whether he had any regrets. “Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam War.”

http://www.counterpunch.org/heller12262007.html


23 posted on 04/08/2008 7:59:04 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay

Secretary of State Robert Gates

Gates is the Secretary of Defense. He has never been SofS.


24 posted on 04/08/2008 8:02:09 PM PDT by Enchante (Hillary: I brought peace to Northern Ireland, I dodged sniper bullets in Bosnia....... HUH???)
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To: fight_truth_decay
Bekka Valley - it's long been assumed that's where the WMD ended up - and if so, they wouldn't risk moving them as satellite would pick it up...so they well may still be there.

I would love to see the faces of the traitorous libRats if the whole thing unravels in their faces long about convention time...They would never recover.And they have yet to learn they shouldn't play poker with that Texan = he knows how to hold 'em.

25 posted on 04/08/2008 8:02:38 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: fight_truth_decay

ping for later


26 posted on 04/08/2008 8:02:44 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: fight_truth_decay; Southack; DevSix; LS; Michael.SF.
Why the Bush administration wouldn’t have trumpeted news of the Syrian reactor worldwide in September 2007 is beyond us, but there obviously were some reasons

My theory is that France, Germany and Russia were involved up to their eyeballs with Saddams WMD's. The reason those three suddenly dug in their heels at the UN in the runup to Desert Storm II was to buy time to erase their fingerprints in Iraq.

We aren't talking about the stockpiles of inefficient WWI era chemical weapons we all have seen photos of. Modern chem-bio's are extraordinarily lethal in small quantity. Remember the missing +2K liters of Iraqi anthrax? That would fit in the back of one UHaul truck. A few convoys of 18 wheelers should have had no difficulty transporting the entire production facilities and inventory out of Iraq.

If the Russians went to the trouble of providing Spec-Op's to escort the convoys out of Iraq, they probably also added a few diplomats to provide diplomatic immunity to the convoys as well. Remember just after the commencement of hostilities that a convoy was strafed which we were told was a "Russian diplomatic convoy"?

I suspect after sanitizing Iraq, Russia, Germany and France recommended to #10 and the WH because their cooperation would be needed in the future, it would be best to put this matter behind us.

If the WMD's were stored in Syria, I can understand waiting to be certain before attacking the sites.

The only thing that puzzles me is that all the reports had the convoys final destination being Syria or Lebanon. If the russians really did go to all that trouble, why didn't the convoys go to one of the Syrian ports where the goods would have been loaded onto Russian warships for safe passage to Russia?

27 posted on 04/08/2008 8:03:21 PM PDT by fso301
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To: txflake

Well, letsee. If I were syria, I’d be concerned with israel and USA forces in iraq. NOT with the turks. So, I’d put my sensitive stuff as far away from the jews and the americans as possible.

Make sense?


28 posted on 04/08/2008 8:05:29 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: fight_truth_decay

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1489385/posts

>>>>In the second year after the Soviet withdrawal, Wilson delivered another $250 million for the CIA to keep its Afghan program intact. With Saudi matching funds, the mujahideen would receive another half a billion dollars to wage war.<<<

The weapons blackmarket funded Sheik Rahman. You remember WTC’93, right?

And here we are.


29 posted on 04/08/2008 8:06:58 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Last Thursday, the Israeli Air Force penetrated deeply into Syrian territory and apparently bombed an Iranian arms shipment that was being transferred to Hizbullah.

However, there is something wrong with this picture.

Iran are constantly arming Hizbullah. It’s non-stop. Why would Israel suddenly spring into action and fly over Turkey then penetrate so deeply into Syrian that the IAF were just a few miles from the Iraqi border?

The intel for this raid has been building for months. Security was top-level. The raid was perfectly planned, split-second timing was crucial; this was a daring attack, extremely dangerous and carried potentially serious international blow back.

In truth, Israel had no choice.

The North Koreans have been selling nuclear material to the Syrians. And this cannot stand.

September 12, 2007
http://www.seraphicpress.com/archives/2007/09/post_101.php


30 posted on 04/08/2008 8:07:41 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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Crosslinking...

RandallFlagg: WMDs = Cheese

31 posted on 04/08/2008 8:08:36 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Satisfaction was my sin)
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To: avacado
Crappy article! WMDs? What does that mean? Sarin, XV, Mustard, Anthrax, Nuclear weapons?

Sounds like the writer assumes most of us read all the reports back in the beginning of the long truck convoy, caught on aerial, out of Iraq and the airlift - and the reports by some of those involved that this was a mass-movement of Saddam's WMD's = and that much ended up in Bekka Valley.,

For anyone who had their head in the sand or the bias blocker on back then, there are copious articles on the net - but just for sh*ts and giggles, here's one that mentions the tie in with this article:

http://www.probush.com/ryan_wmd_question.htm

excerpt: "The bulk of the weapons would later be transferred between January and March 2003 from Baghdad, Tikrit and al-Qaim. Some would be stored among Syria's own weapons, particularly at an army base north of Damascus, while the rest was shipped to Lebanon's Bekka Valley, where they were put in holes 20-26 feet across and 82-115 feet deep. The holes were dug in poppy and cotton fields, in the valley stretching between Jabal Akroum, the town of al-Qbayyat and the Syrian border. Weapons were also hidden at the area between the towns of al-Hirmil and al-Labwah between the Orontes River and the Syrian border. According to several sources, Israeli satellite photos were given to the West prove this.

Sometimes, unless one is unwilling to loosen their bias blocker, it's educational to do a bit of research before opining.

Sorry if this upsets someones "Bush Lied" mantra. (No, I'm not. I lied.)

32 posted on 04/08/2008 8:16:20 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: mamelukesabre
This is the facility many of us though struck, not the one where the photos showed destruction and cleanup in the middle of Syria on the Euphrates:

This one IS on the Turkish border.

33 posted on 04/08/2008 8:17:01 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: avacado
All those things and more.

The best way to deal with this news is to let it out in detail about the time the Democrats have pretty much decided who their nominee is going to be.

34 posted on 04/08/2008 8:18:28 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: fight_truth_decay

Sorry - I don’t believe the “we’ve found Saddam’s weapons” part of this thing. He may indeed have moved his chemical, bio or nuclear weapons - but then, where are the facilities that go with them? We certainly would have found the tens of thousands of centrifuges or massive clean-rooms and obvious production plants for the bio-weapons.


35 posted on 04/08/2008 8:21:44 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: YepYep
You know, Ronaldus Magnus (the great Ronald) used to say you can get a lot of good done when you don’t care who gets the credit.

BINGO

And Barbara Bush raised her boy on that principal. And he has used that all his life.

Not showing your hand is also the mark of a Master Poker Player.

36 posted on 04/08/2008 8:22:39 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: fight_truth_decay
About 6 months before the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan there was a brief report in Science (magazine) that a major deposit of gallium arsenide had been found in a mountain just North of Kabul by a Soviet survey team.

I always figured the folks running Afghanistan weren't able to come up with a price the Russians were willing to meet, so they decided to take it by force ~ and did so.

You just never hear about that gallium arsenide deposit ~

37 posted on 04/08/2008 8:24:10 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: fight_truth_decay

No information (either good or bad) from the authorities in the know is exactly how a war should be waged.


38 posted on 04/08/2008 8:24:37 PM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: PGR88
As all of us here recall Saddam purchased the Brazilian atom bomb project yellow cake and all.

Then he had Khadaffi available to process stuff for him.

39 posted on 04/08/2008 8:28:39 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: fight_truth_decay

Not only was this site bombed, there were reports of ground forces removing something from the site. Those forces may have been more than IDF and could well have included American operatives. What is certain is that what ever was attacked was important and as covert as such things can be. My bet is that a nuke or parts of one were seized to keep the Syrians/Iranians from assembling a bomb. Was N. Korea the sole source of this stuff? ...I would suppose Saddam’s WMDs were also part of this. Why the silence by the Administration? Perhaps to keep information sources secure.


40 posted on 04/08/2008 8:30:00 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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