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A Noisy Train, a Fed-Up Rider and a Day in Court
New York Times ^ | 04/09/2008 | ANEMONA HARTOCOLLIS

Posted on 04/09/2008 8:22:41 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd

All John Clifford wanted was a peaceful ride to work on the 7:39 to Pennsylvania Station. He would get to the Long Island Rail Road station at Long Beach early every weekday morning, board the train, stake out a five-seat section to rest his bad back, and prepare to read his newspaper and eat his breakfast.

But all around him, there would be chaos. One woman putting on full makeup while listening to her iPod and talking to friends. Another inviting guests to a barbecue and talking about personal problems. Men chatting on cellphones. They were treating the ride as a social situation, he testified in court on Tuesday, forming cliques and getting to know each other by name.

He asked the passengers to keep it down, but the chatter continued. In March 2007, Mr. Clifford had had enough. He shouted an obscenity at a passenger talking on his cellphone and slapped the hand of another, and was arrested. On Tuesday, he found himself in Manhattan Criminal Court, telling his tale.

“I stand up for my right to be let alone,” Mr. Clifford, a retired New York City police sergeant, declared from the witness stand at his nonjury trial on charges including harassment and assault.

To his accusers, Mr. Clifford, 60, was a bully who hogged five seats and had told one passenger, Donna DeCurtis, who had talked loudly, that he knew her name and where she lived, and that “I can make your life hell.” He had been arrested before, the prosecutor said, though, until now, the charges had always been dropped.

After one of those arrests, Ms. DeCurtis testified on Tuesday, “everybody just stood up and applauded.”

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Hero or Bully?
1 posted on 04/09/2008 8:22:42 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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They were treating the ride as a social situation, he testified in court on Tuesday, forming cliques and getting to know each other by name.

Oh, the humanity!

2 posted on 04/09/2008 8:25:31 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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A bully. You may ask people to be quiet, politely, but you can't expect absolute quiet on the LIRR. You don't take up 5 seats. You don't threaten people by saying "I know where you live and I can make your life hell." And you don't slap people.

If he absolutely has to have quiet, he can drive to work.

3 posted on 04/09/2008 8:26:09 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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He should have had a private limo so he could have peace and quiet. It’s called public transportation for a reason.


4 posted on 04/09/2008 8:26:55 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (The fence is "absolutely not the answer" - Gov. Rick Perry (R, TX))
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To: Responsibility2nd

Probably nutberger. Anybody that thinks people getting to know each other is bad has issues.


5 posted on 04/09/2008 8:28:00 AM PDT by discostu (aliens ate my Buick)
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Hero or Bully?

Neither. He's a whack job who let his anger fester to the boiling point and slapped out at the wrong people.

If he wants to be left alone, drive. Or, better yet take some constructive steps to try and get the RR company to dedicate one car as a "quiet zone", no cell phones allowed.

6 posted on 04/09/2008 8:29:05 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ("democrat" -- 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses " - Joseph J. Ellis)
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Let him bring that $hit down South. He’ll be brushing his teeth in the palm of his hand.


7 posted on 04/09/2008 8:30:27 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.)
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8 posted on 04/09/2008 8:30:41 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Act Swiftly Awesome Pachyderm!)
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Hero or Bully?

Bully.

If you want to be left alone, take your seat and leave people alone. If you want to spread out across five seats, drive your own car.

If you want peace and quiet, buy a set of these...

For $200, you won't hear a thing. Instead, this bully tries to dictate the behavior of everybody in the car.

9 posted on 04/09/2008 8:30:51 AM PDT by gridlock (Proud McCain Supporter since February 8, 2008.)
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A mentally ill individual of whom we can all be glad he’s a retired police officer.


10 posted on 04/09/2008 8:32:26 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triangle of death)
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To: Hegemony Cricket

I had to right click on that picture to get an idea of what those green things were.

At first, I thought they were itens that you were suggesting that Clifford shove somewhere!


11 posted on 04/09/2008 8:33:19 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Typical White Person)
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JClifford is just speeding away,
Thought he was James Dean for a day

Then I guess he had to crash,
Pro-zac woulda helped that bash

they said “hey babe,
take a walk on the mild side.”


12 posted on 04/09/2008 8:33:58 AM PDT by babble-on
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There is no right to privacy in a public place.

If you want privacy, keep your doors locked, your shutters drawn, and your ass inside.

13 posted on 04/09/2008 8:34:03 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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"Mr. Clifford, a retired New York City police sergeant"

Well he was obviously used to pushing people around and flashing his badge. Some animals are more equal than others.

14 posted on 04/09/2008 8:34:07 AM PDT by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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He’s a retired cop. AND a lawyer.

So he’s and Bully AND a Bully!

Two fer one special, eh?


15 posted on 04/09/2008 8:36:01 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Typical White Person)
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Hero or Bully?
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Neither. My word for him is a$$hole.

I never travel without my noise cancelling headphones. Noise? What noise?


16 posted on 04/09/2008 8:37:01 AM PDT by dmz
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I think Metro-North, and some AMTRAK trains have designated “quiet cars” with no cell phones or loud talking. JClifford needs to move off the island.


17 posted on 04/09/2008 8:37:04 AM PDT by babble-on
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Hero or Bully?

"Hospital patient," had he ever been dimwitted enough to actually try pulling that slapping-people-unannounced crap down in Tennessee, where I grew up.

18 posted on 04/09/2008 8:41:33 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (McCain "conservatives" = hardcore liberals who nonetheless appreciate the occasional tax cut.)
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I’m guessing there may be some good reasons why he’s a “retired” cop. But, being a liar (lawyer) too? Yeah, he’s special.


19 posted on 04/09/2008 8:44:29 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triangle of death)
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To: Responsibility2nd

LOL - that might work, too!


20 posted on 04/09/2008 8:51:01 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Act Swiftly Awesome Pachyderm!)
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