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Are wind farm turbines making people sick? Some say yes
The Kansas City Star ^ | Sat, Apr. 12, 2008 10:15 PM | KAREN DILLON

Posted on 04/14/2008 1:59:47 PM PDT by newgeezer

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To: Deaf Smith
Pop...pop...pop...pop..................BANG...pop...pop...

There used to be one of those across the valley from my grandparents' house when I was little. You could hear it echo through the woods. About once per second, a loud clap like two flat boards slapping together. Ah, memories.

21 posted on 04/14/2008 3:41:51 PM PDT by smokinleroy
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To: newgeezer

I know this is going to raise some interesting criticisms, but the study of harmonics as they apply to human beings, leads me to believe that there could be something to this noise complaint.

I don’t profess to be an expert on it, but I have watched some shows on the science channels that have touched on it. I wouldn’t dismiss it out of hand.

Some have talked about people who are and aren’t bothered by the same noise. I don’t know what to say with regard to that. It may or may not disprove a real problem existing along these lines. Perhaps some people are more vulnerable to this type of problem.


22 posted on 04/14/2008 3:51:17 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain is rock solid on SCOTUS judicial appointments. He voted for Ginsberg, Kennedy and Souter.)
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To: newgeezer

One researcher calls it “wind turbine syndrome,” ...but most know that it is just acute NIMBYitis.


23 posted on 04/14/2008 3:51:28 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Great Obamanation of Desolation, attempting to sit in the Oval Office, where he ought not..)
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To: goldstategop; newgeezer
Liberals hate wind farms: because

4) they are actually being built, after being touted by the Greenies.

NOTHING upsets them more than to take them at their word, and Do what they advocated.

As electricity production goes, they have big drawbacks, but our local coops jointly own some wind farms, thanks to federal mandates. They are experimenting with a twist, though.

Instead of putting the power into the grid, they are using it to power an on-site electrolysis process. When the wind is blowing, they store the ‘extra’ hydrogen & oxygen generated to use in calm times. They BURN the H & O back into water vapor, powering a continuous output hydrogen fired peaking plant.

The water is recycled over & over; and although generated output is less than the max when the wind is high, it is continuous peaking power when & as needed, regardless of wind.

24 posted on 04/14/2008 4:09:24 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Great Obamanation of Desolation, attempting to sit in the Oval Office, where he ought not..)
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To: newgeezer

“The sound gets in your head like a saw and you can’t get rid of it,”

Try tinnitus, it will make your wind turbines seem like paradise.


25 posted on 04/14/2008 4:10:15 PM PDT by Hacklehead (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the hippies.)
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To: Hacklehead
Try tinnitus

Got a touch of it - no thanks.

26 posted on 04/14/2008 4:33:57 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (A Zero Tolerance Policy isnÂ’t a one way street.)
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To: DoughtyOne
I know this is going to raise some interesting criticisms, but the study of harmonics as they apply to human beings, leads me to believe that there could be something to this noise complaint.

The “mistral” winds in France are purported to cause an increase in suicides and assorted mental illness. The seasonal winds generate infrasonic waves which are suspected of effecting humans exposed to them. This effect has been noted long before the advent of wind farms.

Regards,
GtG

27 posted on 04/14/2008 4:49:54 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

Thanks for the posting of the information about the ‘mistral’ winds. Interesting...


28 posted on 04/14/2008 4:59:19 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain is rock solid on SCOTUS judicial appointments. He voted for Ginsberg, Kennedy and Souter.)
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To: ApplegateRanch
I spent several December nights near Davis, WV. They are putting up windmills like mushrooms. I woke in the middle of the night to hear a loud "noise". I may have just woken to pee, but the noise was loud enough to keep me awakefrom the drone.

I drove over past them, and stopped atop a hill nearby. You would lose the noise over surf,but here in WV, it is dreadful!

I pity those who have to live close by! whoooooosh, whoooosh, whooooooooosh...


29 posted on 04/14/2008 5:13:56 PM PDT by WVKayaker ( "Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome..." I. Asimov)
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To: DoughtyOne
There is some validity to the article. To persons with such issues as Vestibular Disorders or Sensory Processing Disorders certain noises can in fact trigger anxiety and in some cases seizure activity {myloclonic non epileptic type}. Certain frequency levels and certain visual situations send me into what is called Stimulus-sensitive myoclonus. This is triggered by a variety of external events, including noise, movement, and light. Surprise may increase the sensitivity of the patient. When it hits I go into violent upper torso spasms with duration of about two seconds and as many as 15 in a minute in a major attack until the offending event stops. It's also labeled as General Anxiety Disorder for disability purposes.

The persons the windmills bother need to either insulate the home more incliuding a vinyl roof or move.

30 posted on 04/14/2008 6:39:51 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: newgeezer
Soon the sounds from the blades swooshing through the air and other noise were driving Porter and his family crazy
I would trade that for the boom-box gang-bangers and others ... booming in the neighborhood at 1 AM in the morning sometimes!!!
31 posted on 04/14/2008 6:45:02 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: familyop

A company was studying the feasibility of putting them on our land and decided against it, I was already counting the money, darn it.


32 posted on 04/14/2008 6:51:44 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: newgeezer
“The sound gets in your head like a saw and you can’t get rid of it,” Porter said.

I think I know what you mean...
 
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33 posted on 04/14/2008 7:06:16 PM PDT by JCG
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To: cva66snipe

Interesting. Thanks for the explanation. I’m sure that must be uncomfortable at times. SAT


34 posted on 04/15/2008 2:53:29 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain is rock solid on SCOTUS judicial appointments. He voted for Ginsberg, Kennedy and Souter.)
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To: DoughtyOne
It about drove me nuts {literally} till I figured out what was causing it to happen. Certain sounds say like a fork lift backing up at Lowes trigger it. Walmart store PA systems trigger it. A telephone can too. Or certain visual things like TV special effects flashing of colors or strobing etc. I had severe sinus allergies as a kid that damaged my Inner Ear. Added to that some vision problems such as only having one eye functional with vision in both never at the same time.

At age 34 it caught up with me. It started out like I was having a stroke. I knew my name but I didn't for a few minutes know where I was or going etc. It scared the living crap out of me. The episode lasted about 30 minutes and I was on the interstate. A few months later one night at work my mind and body started crashing. Someone had yelled at a friend down the hall but right beside me and I about jumped out of my skin. Within a few minutes I could only do yes and no questions. I called in a relief worker and got out of there. The next 18 months was no fun and doctors were treating me for Text Book Anxiety Disorder meaning phobic or traumatic in origin. I found a book written by a researcher Neurologist that linked it to Vestibular Disorders. All of it fit.

The rough part came convincing the doctors who were saying that Inner Ear and sensory processing damage would not cause anxiety attacks. What was worse the medications they used enhanced sensory impulses so I was literally being bombarded. A couple of times it about sent me over the edge with what I was to learn later was early statges of Serotonin Syndrome. Or like taking LSD as far as the adverse reaction. I finally found a doctor who had seen it. He pulled me off all antidepressants and prescribed Xanax low dose 4 times a day to dull my sensory system to where I was somewhat functional. I'm partially deaf now from Menieres Disease and Tinnitus. A blessing and a curse. I hear a lot less {the curse} but the attacks are less frequent {the blessing}. Concentration is a treasured commidity for me a lot of times. I learned to live with it by ignoring what the specialist say about anxiety disorders. I avoid the offending triggers. Most anxiety treatments are geared toward traumatic and phobic origins rather than neurological ones like mine. For phobics avoidance is not a good thing for ones like me it is a necessity though. Control of enviroment as much as possible is essential. Strange thing is the windmills in this article would likely not bother me unless they were in the frequency range I have filtering isues with.

The attacks are triggered by sensory saturation or bombardment. If too much comes in at one time to be process then like a computer the crash comes. Usually in the form of seizure activity.

35 posted on 04/15/2008 3:58:14 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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Well it sounds like you’ve been through the mill. I’m fringely familiar with psycho moter triggers. I know what it can do to even a person who doesn’t have your level of sensitivity to loud noises, to have something loud and startling happen right next to you, so I can understand that. There have been times when I’ve been shocked by certain things that took place near me, and I can only imagine what that would do to you.

I’d imagine a room with good sound insulation, low level lighting and controled visual stimulus would be very crucial for you.

Sorry to hear about this. I am glad you came into contact with a physician who had dealt with the problem before and knew what to do.

You take care.


36 posted on 04/15/2008 11:55:09 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain is rock solid on SCOTUS judicial appointments. He voted for Ginsberg, Kennedy and Souter.)
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The sound they are complaining about is a result of the wind being redirected and slammed into the Hollow tubular pole that the head assembly is mounted on.

The hollow pole becomes a sound carrying resonator that even transfers the ‘whump-whump’ vibration into the ground itself.

A design change in the pole itself, and use of sound deadening cladding, would eliminate this problem.


37 posted on 04/15/2008 3:45:30 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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I'll bet filling the pole with filler would help considerably.

It would reduce the resonance.

38 posted on 04/15/2008 4:16:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain is rock solid on SCOTUS judicial appointments. He voted for Ginsberg, Kennedy and Souter.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Yes, it would.

Too bad they won’t just ‘pay’ us for solving the problem.


39 posted on 04/15/2008 5:17:36 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: UCANSEE2

I’ll vouch for your qualifications if you vouch for mine. Then we’ll move in and scoop up excessive payments to fix the problem.

The only thing is, they can’t watch while we fill the polls with packing peanuts.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... LOL


40 posted on 04/15/2008 5:28:11 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain is rock solid on SCOTUS judicial appointments. He voted for Ginsberg, Kennedy and Souter.)
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