Posted on 04/21/2008 1:53:38 PM PDT by Pebcak
As DNA testing samples were being taken from the children removed two weeks ago from the YFZ Ranch, attorneys representing their mothers filed several restraining order requests in 51st District Court.
Janece Rolfe. a spokeswoman for the Texas Attorney General's Office, said the genetic sampling started at 8 a.m. today at the San Angelo Coliseum.
Judge Barbara Walther convened a hearing at 10 a.m. to deal with motions and other paperwork filed over the weekend and today, and then set another hearing for 3 this afternoon in the Tom Green County Courthouse.
That hearing could determine whether parents of infants taken from the YFZ Ranch in Schleicher County should be separated when the children are placed in foster homes later this week. Walther is scheduled to hear arguments on a request for a temporary restraining order that also seeks better access to attorneys by mothers who are staying with their children at the coliseum and times for private prayer for the members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
"Without exception," the motion states, "respondent mothers have reported that the department will not let them pray without being monitored."
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I agree with you that we don’t know all the facts. Perhaps if we did, it would strike us as even worse than we thought.
But that’s not the point at all. And the emotional pleadings here about “child rape” are pretty much that - emotional pleadings.
I would argue that since we DON’T know the facts, and EVEN IF WE DID, it is ABSOLUTELY INCUMBENT ON THE STATE TO FOLLOW THE LAW TO THE LETTER!!!
What’s next? Some kid being removed from the home because the parents smoke? Because the parents own guns?
Because somebody in the house was eating potato chips?
IF - note I said IF, because I don’t think it will, this whole affair passes judicial scrutiny, it will simply make it easier for a judge to do whatever the hell he wants. If your neighbors have some kinda bone to pick with you, they just manufacture a story, and Presto! CPS is at your door with guns - BIG GUNS - telling you to hand over your kids.
I said it once and will say it again.
This whole thing stinks, and the nanny staters are having a field day.
Also, refusing a DNA test when one is not accused of a crime is a right protected under the 5th Amendment. Some judge and prosecutor who are out on a fishing expedition should not be allowed to cause people to incriminate themselves for unknown offenses.
The judge will NOT release the children to adults who cannot PROVE they are the parents of same. Since the "prophet" thought it wise to do away with legal, recorded birth certificates, DNA testing is being "provided on a voluntary basis" to the parents who wish to prove their parentage. They don't prove parentage, they don't acquire the child.
Does your knee ever jump out of place when you jerk it so violently?
There is hyperbole on both sides, however it gets tiresome hearing how, if you think the govt does have a leg to stand on in this case (and I do) that you are for big brother, or whatever. Some folks sound as if there should be no laws about anything whatsoever, which is silliness. I don’t want to live in an anarchy, and I don’t think the govt is the great Satan. Every thing humans do is tainted in some way, but as a culture we do have a stake in having laws governing things like child abuse. Does it taken too far? I’m sure it does in some instances, and in others things fall thru the cracks.
It will be interesting to see how this shakes out, and I pray for everyone involved. I do not like to see families broken up, however I am not sure this is a family in any sense of the word, just a collection of people living together and a few people who seem to be pulling the strings and using things like underage wives as leverage.
And, again, I don’t hate Mormons. My sister is one, and while she and I have theological disagreements, I have found the Mormons I’ve known to be good and kind people.
susie
Very clever.
This whole affair has not been handled well at all by the Texas zuthorities.
Shouldn’t it be the men who were taken into custody instead of the innocent women and children?
It’s a terrible mess, but they’ve gone this far so it’s got to go along to some kind of solyion, but darned if I know what or how.
I am praying for the young mothers and for all the children ....boys and girls. It is heartbreaking for babies to be snatched from mothers, some of them still breast-feeding. Such cruelty!
I get tired of scripture being used to back up points it was never intended to back up.
susie
I misspelled “solution”.
that is a blog, with opinions not fact......
Egads...makes one want to bang his head against the wall!
Not unlike the situation that pervades most of our urban neighborhoods with the complete blessings of the same government that is prosecuting these people.
*Liberals call Christianity a Cult too!*
Some liberas do not all as many liberals are also Baptists, Methodists, etc.
as Jimma Carter and the Clintoons are Baptists.
The feds? I thought it was the Texas Rangers?
If the Catholics, or Baptists or Presbyterians decide to start marrying off their underage girls then I’ll be right there saying, “Go get ‘em!” I hope this sets a precedent.
Been there too many times with California Child Protective Services, I know they are above the law and can do whatever they want.
My understanding was that only 6 of those who were told they could NOT stay with their children chose not to go back to their home at the "compound".
The way the wild assertions have ramped up with no proof, you probably aren’t far off from tomorrow’s accusations.
I agree with you, the mob is out in force and if you disagree you are a pedophile. Twisted is absolutely correct.
You thought wrong. Only those mothers(82) with children 4 or under are permitted to stay with their children (for now), The others were separated from the children and given the option of being taken to a "safe house" at another location or returning to the ranch. Most returned to the ranch.
Of course, calling someone a Mormon should not be used as a slur. I do have to say tho, that my eyes have been opened on these threads to the fact that some who say they are Mormon seem to support polygamy.
Now, my Mormon sister says that if they do she doesn’t think they are really Mormons. I don’t know, because I took the lessons to join the church many years ago, and I just don’t recall them saying anything about polygamy. But, to see people supporting it has caused me to step back a bit and wonder if at least some LDS members do support polygamy (even tho I think the offical church stance says no).
If so, I think it would be fair to wonder if their stance on this whole thing is because they really don’t see anything wrong in what the parents did. At least I think that is where that may be coming from. (Did I make that clear as mud?)
Well, heck. Guess I'll just walk into the nearest daycare and take my choice. Why should I be "forced or coerced" to prove that child is my flesh and blood, just because I don't believe in acquiring a birth certificate for MY kid.
If the child isn't actually my biological child, what the heck. My right to freely acquire a child has been protected. Oh, that's not a "right". Coulda fooled me.
What stinks is that people will defend pedophile rapists who swap women and children like trading cards.
It’s about breaking the laws of the state. Since when does a cloak of religion exempt you from having to obey the laws of the state?
You’re deliberately ignoring all that’s know about this group and their jailed for rape related charges leader.
It’s not just a couple backwoods oddballs and you know it.
Get a grip.
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